Posted on 01/09/2005 9:27:19 AM PST by Ranger
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In viet nam we fought a new war every 12 months not on war, i see this happening again.
Of Course if rummy where to do this the Military would go ballistic, BTW how about activating some of us old farts to take over the administrative duties etc here in the states.
Naw can't do that might upset the AARP.
Damn if this country doesn't realize it is in a World War for its soul.
BTW can we get Michael Newdow set to Iran to talk about how religion should not be intertwined with government.
Is the Weekly Standard considering a run for President in 2008?
The mewling fools on the Left wouldn't know effectiveness from a Planned Parenthood condom giveaway.
A lot of nonsense. More troops would mean more targets for terrorists. The chief thing that is impeding us in Iraq is the Fifth Column in America and Europe that won't let us do what needs to be done. The MSM and the leftists intellectuals and politicians who undermine Bush at every opportunity and make it very hard for our troops to act.
We have more than enough troops there. The problem is that the media conceal everything they accomplish and headline every collateral casualty.
In WWII the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs ran the War Department. In this war, we changed from a Special Forces Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to an Air Force general to fight a Special Forces War (Concept Error). Replace Rumsfeld with Downing.
Getting set for '08. Looks like the Weekly Standard has found a new Bush whipping boy to replace Powell.
The SECDEF is smart, determined and arrogant. He's also quick to criticize senior ground component leadership when they disagree with his proclamations.
Believe what you want about him, his vision for the military is frequently in conflict with military leadership - not all of whom are Clintonista leftovers.
Agreed. The liberal press is the best ally the Islamic terrorists have going for them.
No question about the latter - whether is was BECAUSE of, or IN SPITE OF the former, is the question.
In that case , wouldn't it be a good idea to reduce the number of troops?
Right now these terrorists in Iraq don't have the free of God in them. I read an article on MSNBC that the Pentagon is thinking about "Iraqi Death Squads" (big bullies on our side).
Of course MSNBC was whining about the idea. I think it's great. Take the fight to them. We need to get off of defense and let them know we aren't playing games.
First, Rummy is right, we have to make choices. There is no constituency to cut pork laden weapons programs even now, much less before the war.
Second, even if the Standard's desired increase in army troop strength could have been accomplished, the increase would not have served all the alternatives outlined by Kagan, one maybe two but not all. For example, the author lists 5 more things we could have done with more troops, such as guard the borders and dumps. Thousands of miles of borders to guard and in doing so you will have exhausted all additional troops. Even if you do physically guard the borders, politically, we could not stop the flood of pilgrims from Iran etc, and so the borders would have remained porous. The author lists 4 things we needed not do if we had expanded the force, like ending involuntary extensions. We certainly could not have done more than one. We certainly could not have picked all from the "to do " list and 3 from the "do not do" list. We would have had to make choices. My point is that a half a million boots is probably about the number needed and that was politically impossible and would distort our whole readiness posture.
So, we are back to the dilemma we faced from the time it became clear that the insurgency is growing faster than the public's tolerance for this war: We simply must stand up an indigenous Iraqi security force or admit that the game is not worth the candle politically,i.e. our folks won't stand for it as long as the terrorists can keep it up and that means defeat.
We do not need more Americans on the ground, to the contrary we need fewer on the ground but plenty in the air. We need Iraqi soldiers and cops who will fight for something. That something may be their tribe, or their cult, but it is probably not the concept of the Iraqi nation state and it is very unlikely to be the abstraction of Wilsonian democracy. Whatever it is, we must find it and pronto.
Our assets in the air can be traded off for a commitment of zero tolerance for terrorists from the cult or tribe which prevails (no doubt with an iron fist) with our air and logistic support.
Mostly, individuals rotated every 12 months. The 4th Infantry Division was in country from 66 to 70, the Americal Division (24th) from 67 to 71, and the 101st from 67 to 72. Beginning in 1965, the Army began a policy to insure no more than 25 percent of a unit's strength would be rotated in any one month. Managing replacements was not easy, certainly, but the rotations did not stop and restart the war each time someone rotated home.
Also, remember this difference: Vietnam was packed with draftees who were only available for two years. In Iraq, and elsewhere, we're not saddled with that problem.
Great article, it lays out the argument as well as I have seen it done. But, of course, if you disagree with anything that Rumsfeld has done or ever will do, you are clearly among the far left wing.
Well, I agree with the article. Let the pro-Rummy crowd bray away, but until they can come up with an argument as cogent as the one laid down here, they don't deserve much attention.
What we are truly up against here is an inexhaustable number of "insurgents" coming from Iran and Syria. I would like to know exactly what Kerry conveyed to the leaders of Syria with his trip. I'm sure if was not something that left them with the impression that we could stick it out beyond their ability to pump islamic facists over the border. By the way, NB Forrest would have come up with a solution to this complex mess by now, and I'm positive it would have had something to do with identifying those foreign insurgents, their origins and instilling a fear that Kerry couldn't even contemplate.
I think there would have been night riders tear assing around the triangle looking for "examples"
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