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To: kosta50
So you now have me on the record at least twice in regards to my views on religion.

Not surprisingly, this is just a repetition of the last time we went through this exercise - the surah, or declaration of faith in the Koran contains my views on the matter in it's first four words: "There is no God".

There ends any congruence of thought between myself and Muslims. As I told you earlier, I view God the same way I view Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny: created by man, not the other way around, and I "hate" this mythical supreme being about as much as I hate Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

To answer your house analogy, I don't know how the Universe came about - nobody does. If you want to believe that it was created by some being just so he could puzzle you with his mysterious ways by collapsing church roofs onto congregations every now and then, well that's your right, Kosta, knock yourself out. My quarrel with you isn't over your religious beliefs until you use them to rationalize or excuse criminal behavior by your co-religionists.

With that said, Kosta, I don't recall ever excusing any crimes perpetrated against Serbs. Ever. So maybe you could help me out here and find some posts to support your contention? Given your efforts in regards to my religious views, however, maybe you had better just save yourself the time and recognize that you're yet again arguing against what you think are my positons and beliefs, rather than what I've declared them to be on many occasions. In case it's slipped your notice, we don't have a whole lot of Croats, Bosniaks, or K-Albanians on this site cheerleading for or attempting to exculpate their team's criminals. That job has been taken up almost exclusively hereabouts by Serbs and their Orthodox co-religionists, which is why I've spent a disproportionate amount of time making them look like the amoral, ignorant idiots they are.

As to our efforts towards building democracies in Muslim nations, Bosnia still has a Christian majority, though the fact is lost on you as the other Christians there are mere targets for you and yours, to include their Churches. Kosovo is still a part of Serbia, though I doubt the locals will ever reconcile to being ruled by Belgrade again in this lifetime and their views on minorities in their midst are not really any different from you and yours so it looks to be an internationally adminstered area for some time to come - not the optimal state, but far better than what it was.

Which brings us to Afghanistan and Iraq - instead of addressing our efforts in those two countries, you're off on a whirlwind tour of the rest of the world. Why? Because your comment about me being pro-Islamic was just stupid, that's why.

25 posted on 01/09/2005 8:46:37 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Gee, and here I thought I was the only out-of-the-closet near Atheist on this forum. Maybe it helps us have a bit more of a judicial temperment in evaluating these sectarian conflicts. :)


36 posted on 01/09/2005 4:07:41 PM PST by Torie
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To: Hoplite
and I "hate" this mythical supreme being about as much as I hate Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny

Why? Because in your infinite arrogance and pride you think only man is capable of making things? Or because hate is your way of life?

I said for the record, so that there is no doubt. Just as you have my record which says that criminals should be held accountable for their crimes no matter whose side they are on.

"With that said, Kosta, I don't recall ever excusing any crimes perpetrated against Serbs"

Hoplite, if you posted one thread or comment to that effect, condemning specifically a Croat or Muslim or K-Albanian crime, I would believe you. But you won't, so I don't.

As far as the Serbs are concerned, they are my family. I don't know if you have one or if you know what a family is, but suffice it to say that just about every American I have met will tell you that even if your family gets in trouble they are still your family and you support them. That is human nature, Hoplite. That also does not mean that one excuses their excesses. The Serbs who committed crimes need to answer for them, just as all others whose hands have blood should too. Where I do disagree with you is that you maintain the insane idea that Serbs should go to the Hague, but Americans shouldn't. Sorry, equal justice is just that -- it applies equally to all.

As for your delusions of stable democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan, dream on. If you think God is a far fetched idea, Afghanistan beats it hands down. You seem to refuse to admit that Islam and culture is inseparable, that a secular Muslim is an oxymoron, and that Islam and non-Islamic societies are incompatible. Hoping, even expecting, a stable democratic Afghanistan, a country that still lives in the 13th century, and considers apostates candidates for hanging, is a truly stupid idea to paraphrase your own words addressed to me.

47 posted on 01/09/2005 7:21:54 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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