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Nuclear Submarine Runs Aground South of Guam
The Associated Press ^ | Jan 8, 2005 | The Associated Press

Posted on 01/08/2005 3:19:47 AM PST by Jet Jaguar

HONOLULU (AP) - A nuclear submarine ran aground about 350 miles south of Guam, injuring several sailors, one of them critically, the Navy said.

There were no reports of damage to the USS San Francisco's reactor plant, which was operating normally, the Navy said.

Jon Yoshishige, a spokesman for the U.S. Pacific Fleet based at Pearl Harbor, said the Friday afternoon incident is under investigation and the 360-foot submarine was headed back to its home port in Guam.

Details on the sailors' injuries were not immediately available. The sub has a crew of 137, officials said.

Military and Coast Guard aircraft from Guam were en route to monitor the submarine and assist if needed, the Navy said.

Guam is a U.S. territory about 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii.

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On the Net:

U.S. Pacific Fleet: http://www.cpf.navy.mil

AP-ES-01-08-05 0343EST


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: guam; shipwreck; silentservice; ssn711; submarine; usn; usssanfrancisco
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To: judicial meanz
I servd on the sister boat of the San Fransisco. There is one senior corpsman on a 688 class boat, and whoever is qualified as an EMT or whatever in civilian life. This guy is probably workig himself half to death right now Head injuries infer a high speed collision, resulting in the crew really being tossed around. There are plenty of things on a submarine that your head can hit, and they dont move at all. I still have scars Pray for these guys folks...they have a long way to get to port..at least another day, or even more if they can't do any speed at all.

Wouldn't they be able to send medical help to assist the Doc via BSP or do Medevacs??
61 posted on 01/08/2005 5:07:17 AM PST by submarinerswife
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To: judicial meanz

Thank you for your service. My son and I recently watched a movie that showed the crews' activities preparing for a deep dive. I commented at the time, "There is no way I would get on a sub!" Of course, he looked at me like I was a silly girl, but I sticking by my reaction. Kudos to the brave men that serve on submarines.


62 posted on 01/08/2005 5:08:49 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Larry Lucido
"Husband always says: It ain't gay if its underway" I'll bet submariners can come up with all kinds of good lines at the right time; "Fire the torpedoes" being just one that comes to mind.

You would blush.
63 posted on 01/08/2005 5:08:55 AM PST by submarinerswife
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To: submarinerswife

"This isn't Matlock"

Sure, he's responsible because something broke. I'll agree that when a valve breaks loose, its his job to respond to it. But its not his fault that the valve break if it was a hidden, unknown design flaw - the Navy won't can a unique asset like a sub captain just because people on the internet think they should.
More things we don't know: maybe the Captain's expertise saved all their lives when they ran aground? Maybe he'll be given a medal for rising to the occasion? You don't know enough about the situation.


64 posted on 01/08/2005 5:10:11 AM PST by mudblood
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To: mudblood
You don't understand and I don't have the time to explain.

I'd recommend getting up to speed on naval matters or refrain from braying ignorance.

65 posted on 01/08/2005 5:10:53 AM PST by battlegearboat
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To: Elle Bee

Guam is 7,307 miles from where the Sumatran Earthquake was. The sea floor hasn't changed there.


66 posted on 01/08/2005 5:11:52 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: submarinerswife

They probably have a medivac in progress, or its already done, but I would imagine a lot of people got banged up pretty good in a collision like that.

You cant medivac too many people, or you wont get it back to port. I'll bet the most serious are being sent for help and others are bandaged up and still working, unless Guam is sending 688 qualified personnel to assist by helo transfer.

This is a major casualty in progress. They have to keep up a sustained fight to get the ship back in port.


67 posted on 01/08/2005 5:12:22 AM PST by judicial meanz (Co-Founder of http://projectexodus.com--> A Christian Human Rights Ministry to address Anti-Semitism)
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To: woofer

FWIW - While I doubt this is the case here, I heard a report yesterday that a spot in the Indian Ocean which used to be 4000 feet deep is now 100 feet deep. There are quite a few ships running around the Indian Ocean pinging fathometers to try and update charts ASAP. But like I said, not likely this far east.


68 posted on 01/08/2005 5:13:13 AM PST by ProudVet77 (If it's Saturday, I'm sailing!)
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To: battlegearboat

"You don't understand and I don't have the time to explain.:

Well, I read Tom Clancy's book "Submarine". It talked about all the things a captain has to do to become a captain, how its the hardest thing in the world to become a sub captain. And it didn't say anything about them getting canned for unavoidable accidents while on a mission in shallow water. You weren't there when the orders were given, you don't know the objective, nor the circumstances surrounding it. You define ignorance with every word you type.


69 posted on 01/08/2005 5:15:15 AM PST by mudblood
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To: Quilla

Submariners are some of the best people you can ever meet.

I still miss the guys...and its been a few years.


70 posted on 01/08/2005 5:16:13 AM PST by judicial meanz (Co-Founder of http://projectexodus.com--> A Christian Human Rights Ministry to address Anti-Semitism)
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To: judicial meanz
My father was an officer on submarines...1958 graduate of US Naval Academy...BTW there is no "real" running room on a submarine...in all reality.

The cool stories was when people got sick and had REAL bad gas...now THAT could send people running.

71 posted on 01/08/2005 5:16:46 AM PST by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: judicial meanz
They probably have a medivac in progress, or its already done, but I would imagine a lot of people got banged up pretty good in a collision like that. You cant medivac too many people, or you wont get it back to port. I'll bet the most serious are being sent for help and others are bandaged up and still working, unless Guam is sending 688 qualified personnel to assist by helo transfer. This is a major casualty in progress. They have to keep up a sustained fight to get the ship back in port.

This is what they train for. I wish them the best and know that they are the best. Husband has scars from hitting things that don't move also.
72 posted on 01/08/2005 5:17:02 AM PST by submarinerswife
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To: antivenom

Your dad had it right.

I served on three boats...four if you count TAD duty.


73 posted on 01/08/2005 5:17:58 AM PST by judicial meanz (Co-Founder of http://projectexodus.com--> A Christian Human Rights Ministry to address Anti-Semitism)
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To: mudblood
Well, I read Tom Clancy's book "Submarine". It talked about all the things a captain has to do to become a captain, how its the hardest thing in the world to become a sub captain. And it didn't say anything about them getting canned for unavoidable accidents while on a mission in shallow water. You weren't there when the orders were given, you don't know the objective, nor the circumstances surrounding it. You define ignorance with every word you type.

Husband just woke up and here is what he has to say about you and your Tom Clansey book: OK I will sit here with my 21 years as a qualified sub driver and defer to you, with your vast couch-potato hours reading escapist fiction.
74 posted on 01/08/2005 5:21:29 AM PST by submarinerswife
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To: submarinerswife

Its American Seamanship at its best when an injured crew can get this boat as far as it already is, and still keep up the fight.

These guys are already heros.

The forces in a collision like this are similar to a high speed collsion between an automobile and a tree. Make no mistake about it.

They go the boat to the surface ( major achievement) and are well on the way to getting it in port without it foundering, even though critical areas of the boat ( ballast tanks) are probably damaged.

Transferred out the wounded- and still kept it going in spite of their injuries.

It takes a damn good crew to do that.


75 posted on 01/08/2005 5:21:34 AM PST by judicial meanz (Co-Founder of http://projectexodus.com--> A Christian Human Rights Ministry to address Anti-Semitism)
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To: mudblood

Yup.... we can't condemn the Captain , we don't have all the facts ( and probably will not get all the facts ). If it was a unexpected loss of power or a design flaw in the sub, why should we blame the captain ? Even if they were using sonar, it could have been a large rock or something like that, that could have been affected by a earthquake.


76 posted on 01/08/2005 5:22:55 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: submarinerswife

"Husband just woke up and here is what he has to say about you and your Tom Clansey book: OK I will sit here with my 21 years as a qualified sub driver and defer to you, with your vast couch-potato hours reading escapist fiction. "

Why did that other Navy captain get away with a second run-aground? And the Submarine book was his non-fiction book about Submarines. And by the way, your husband wasn't on the submarine that went aground, so he's just as in the dark as you - and the rest of us.


77 posted on 01/08/2005 5:25:34 AM PST by mudblood
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To: mudblood

I can tell you about grounding if you want.

Whether a Captain is relieved or not entirely depends on the findings of a Court of Inquiry which is held after the fact.

Even if he is innocent, he may still be relieved if the crew has lost confidence in him.

The CO is responsible for everything that happens on that ship, whether he knew it or not. Period. No wiggle room at all.


78 posted on 01/08/2005 5:28:59 AM PST by judicial meanz
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To: IGOTMINE

Several people. They must have been hauling butt.


79 posted on 01/08/2005 5:29:21 AM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Jet Jaguar

BIG trouble for the skipper. He will have to stand tall before the man and explain how he ran the peoples ship onto a sand bar when it has ALL the equipment to prevent it from doing that.

After he explains all this and gets knocked down several ranks, he will then be mustered out of the navy or put somewhere they will never hear from him again.

Lots of finger pointing will be done, but, he is the skipper and he is the one responsible.


80 posted on 01/08/2005 5:29:44 AM PST by crz
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