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Bush names committee to study tax code reform
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050108-123151-4436r.htm ^

Posted on 01/07/2005 10:18:11 PM PST by politicalvanguard.com

President Bush yesterday appointed a commission to think of ways to simplify the federal tax code, giving it until July 31 to report its ideas. "A simple code will make it easier on the taxpayers," Mr. Bush said after meeting in the Oval Office with the chairmen of his commission, former Republican Sen. Connie Mack of Florida and former Democratic Sen. John B. Breaux of Louisiana. "These fine, distinguished citizens will be taking a good hard look at the tax code and coming up with recommendations as to how to make sure the tax code encourages economic vitality and growth," he said.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: breaux; bush43; mack; taxreform; term2
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1 posted on 01/07/2005 10:18:12 PM PST by politicalvanguard.com
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To: politicalvanguard.com

Very happy to see this When will the President, Secretary of State and a herd of Congressmen and Senators take a trip to check out our Out of Control Borders and start building some walls and fences to protect this country and fulfill their Constitutional Vow!

Every country in the World can count on the Protection of the United States, except the United States!!


2 posted on 01/07/2005 10:35:09 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: politicalvanguard.com

How long will it take for Breaux to be maligned by the left? They wasted no time doing the same to Moynihan when he was appointed to the Social Security commission. They learn quickly what it is like to be Republicans.


3 posted on 01/07/2005 10:41:15 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: 26lemoncharlie

I respect your passion on the subject and agree it is a troubling issue, but would it be possible, for once, to actually discuss the issue raised by the article? Thanks.


4 posted on 01/07/2005 10:42:08 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: politicalvanguard.com

What's there to study! The whole thing is a joke and it's not about to be changed unless it's a crumb or two. Just stop the "income" tax and go to a nationwide sales tax. Could be done overnight.


5 posted on 01/07/2005 10:49:02 PM PST by laweeks (I)
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To: everyone

If that socialist pig Charlie Rangel says the committee is "closed-minded," I'd say it's off to a fine start.


6 posted on 01/07/2005 11:01:26 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: laweeks

They are going to look into everything, including that option.

They won't go for it of course, but it would be nice if they would. I hope we can contact the panel with our comments whenever they get set up here soon.


7 posted on 01/07/2005 11:10:08 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Has anyone looked for e-mail addresses for this Group? Think of the horror stories, We could provide & document.


8 posted on 01/07/2005 11:46:49 PM PST by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: ancient_geezer

Could be of interest to the pinglist.


9 posted on 01/08/2005 12:21:38 AM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: Terpfen; Taxman; Principled; Bigun; EternalVigilance; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; Poohbah; CliffC; ...
Some more on the same topic

White House launches new initiative to overhaul tax code

Executive Order President's Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform

President names Mack, Breaux to lead group seeking ways to reshape code

 

A Taxreform bump for you all.

If you would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

John Linder in the House & Saxby Chambliss Senate, offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a retail sales tax:

H.R.25, S.1493
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer for additional information: http://www.fairtax.org, http://www.salestax.org & http://www.geocities.com/cmcofer/ftax.html


10 posted on 01/08/2005 12:46:30 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: laweeks

I am concerned by how the sales tax would affect retired persons. They are living off of their savings, on which they presumably have already paid income taxes. Now, they retire and no longer have income and then the income tax disappears and they are slammed with a sales tax. Other than that I like the sales tax idea because it hits people who are engaged in illegal activities, plus it encourages saving.


11 posted on 01/08/2005 1:46:26 AM PST by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: unfortunately a bluestater

This is only a guess, but I think some kind of discount, based on age, could/would be applied to the purchaser.


12 posted on 01/08/2005 4:10:22 AM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: politicalvanguard.com

No time to discuss this in a committee!

13 posted on 01/08/2005 7:13:46 AM PST by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: unfortunately a bluestater
I am concerned by how the sales tax would affect retired persons.

That's the big gag! They're affected already! Corporations, etc pay income taxes now and pass the cost on to the customer, which includes your precious old farts.

14 posted on 01/08/2005 7:15:40 AM PST by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: politicalvanguard.com
"It seems like to me the tax code today discourages economic vitality and growth when you spend billions of hours filling out the forms," Mr. Bush said.

I applaud the president for doing this. I personally hope that we do go to a national sales tax of some sort (though not a VAT), remove the income tax entirely, and repeal the 16th Amendment.

And the president has it exactly right: the current system is fantastically expensive. It wastes tremendous time and money on non-productive and even detrimental activities. A national sales tax, while it has its own downsides, I think is superior on most fronts. If there an obvious perfect solution, then I think we would have found it by now; my thought is we go to the least bad of the lot.

15 posted on 01/08/2005 7:28:58 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: unfortunately a bluestater
go to www.fairtax.org there is a question/answer section on there and SS/elderly/rebates for necessities are addressed
also, the costs of goods will decrease when all the embedded taxes are removed which will off set the increase that the NST brings....so in effect the cost of items will remain the same
16 posted on 01/08/2005 8:07:02 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: unfortunately a bluestater
I am concerned by how the sales tax would affect retired persons. They are living off of their savings, on which they presumably have already paid income taxes.

Not necessarily. The vast majority of retirement savings is in 401(k) and traditional IRA's. No income tax has ever been paid on that money. The fair tax would allow seniors to take money out of those accounts TAX-FREE! That would be a boon to most seniors, a big boon.

17 posted on 01/08/2005 8:51:34 AM PST by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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To: groanup; unfortunately a bluestater

The fair tax would allow seniors to take money out of those accounts TAX-FREE!

I might point out penalty free as well, as the section of the tax code governing IRAs & 401ks gets repealed right along with the rest of the income/payroll tax code.

Under the Fair Tax Act, HR25 savings/investment is tax free, without restriction. Only time the NRST is collected is on purchases for consumption thus re-invested returns are untaxed until withdrawn and actually spent for consumption or use.

18 posted on 01/08/2005 11:08:05 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: ancient_geezer
I might point out penalty free as well,...

Correct. The benefit also goes to those under the age of 591/2 who are still in the penalty phase.

Something else that hasn't been mentioned on any of these threads: If seniors want SS saved they should certainly want this country to create enough wealth to save it. A fair tax would be the first thing to do in that regard.

19 posted on 01/08/2005 11:23:01 AM PST by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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To: socialismisinsidious; groanup; unfortunately a bluestater; politicalvanguard.com
Now why would you suggest to someone to go to a website that is promoting a socialist friendly tax plan?

Think of the consequences if America adopts a tax system which is designed to send a monthly government check to every household in America. Does it not create another factious voting block with a very real interest to vote for socialist members in Congress who promises to increase their monthly family consumption allowance?

Is this not now self evident as applied to our nation’s elderly on social security who cast their vote based upon a monthly check given to them by government? Is this not also true of working people who now earn a federal guaranteed minimum wage, who cast their vote on the promise their minimum wage guarantee will be raised by socialists in Congress?

Have we not taken note of the wisdom spoken by our Founding Fathers, that : “A POWER OVER A MAN’s SUBSISTENCE AMOUNTS TO A POWER OVER HIS WILL.”? Federalist Paper 79

Are we too ignorant to see the danger of faction in a tax plan offered to us which flies in the face of the principles under which our founding fathers labored to remove the effects of faction?

Why is it that those who promote tax reform ignore the wisdom of our founding fathers original tax plan, and are delinquent in advocating a return to it___ a plan which helped to pave the way for American to become the economic marvel of the world?

Surely there is a need for the people of America to remove themselves from the iron fist of government which controls them through a despotic system of taxation and makes the people the servant of folks in government. But is the so called Fair Tax the answer? The old saying goes: if it sounds too good to be true it probably is!

I suggest those who are sincerely interested in tax reform, and will actively participate in the promotion of tax reform, compare our founding fathers original tax plan to the fair tax, or any other proposal which may be offered, before making a commitment to any particular proposal

. See: Neal Boortz supports Fair Tax proposal? for an excellent defense of our Founding Fathers original tax plan.

Sincerely,

JWK

ACRS

I have been told there is a problem in our nation…Johnny can’t read, but as I see the problem, it is that Johnny can read but won’t.---.Edward A. Ellison Jr., J.D

20 posted on 01/08/2005 11:44:52 AM PST by JOHN W K
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