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*Actual Headline* Retarded Kennedy Sister Dies at 86
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Posted on 01/07/2005 9:19:50 PM PST by Gomez

Retarded Kennedy Sister Dies at 86

Jan 7, 11:39 PM (ET)

By LOLITA C. BALDOR

(AP) The Kennedy family children are seen in a boat in this undated photo. From left, are: Eunice, Jack,... Full Image

WASHINGTON (AP) - Rosemary Kennedy, the oldest sister of President John F. Kennedy and the inspiration for the Special Olympics, died Friday. She was 86.

Kennedy, the third child of Rose and Joseph Kennedy, was born mentally retarded and underwent a lobotomy when she was 23. She lived most of her life in a Jefferson, Wis., institution, the St. Coletta School for Exceptional Children.

She died in a Wisconsin hospital with her brother, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, and her sisters at her side, the family said.

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To: Bubbatuck
Let's hate the political Kennedy's all we want, but Rosemary was an unfortunate woman, born at an unfortunate time. Our lord doesn't look kindly on people who mock the dead.

How many books have you read on the Kennedy clan? I have read many, and at worst, Rosemary was described as "boisterous" by those close to the family.

Joe knew exactly what he was doing when he put her through this procedure. He would let NOTHING get in the way of his greedy political ambitions, even his own child with some behavior problems.

All I'm seeing on these threads is sympathy for a poor girl who was scarred for life at the hands of her disgusting, deceitful father. He is the one to be mocked, although I'm sure right now he is somewhere a little bit warmer than here, and has no clue what's going on here on God's earth.

61 posted on 01/08/2005 6:32:29 AM PST by LisaMalia (A safe and Happy New Year to our sevicemen and women!)
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To: Bubbatuck
But I never thought they hated their own children.

Momma Rosemary was said to have not grieved for her daughter Kit when she was killed in an airplane crash. I have read this many, many times by reliable sources in various books about the Kennedys. She said her daughter deserved the fate for marrying outside the Catholic church. I certainly don't call that love.

62 posted on 01/08/2005 6:38:04 AM PST by LisaMalia (A safe and Happy New Year to our sevicemen and women!)
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To: dts32041

People like Joe Kennedy make me conclude that either there is no God, or there is a God with a fiery hell. Lobotomies were used for severe -behavorial- problems, not to "improve" upon one's IQ.

It was well known that they made a person "lifeless" from the start... thus they were used for violent criminals regardless of IQ... Joe Kennedy knew what would happen. Her very mild retardation (she could read and write) was merely a convenient excuse to make her a nonsexual zombie.


63 posted on 01/08/2005 6:46:31 AM PST by Nataku X (There are no converts in Islam... only hostages.)
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To: LisaMalia
"Joe knew exactly what he was doing when he put her through this procedure. He would let NOTHING get in the way of his greedy political ambitions, even his own child with some behavior problems."

First, I don't think any poster has been intentionally disrespectful to Rosemary Kennedy. God rest her soul.

As for Ol' Joe, I believe the opposite is true. He wanted poor Rosemary to be put away for good. Among other options he could have pursued...Wouldn't a convent have taken her in? and surely there were institutions in those days, not as grim as the Fernald School, a reform school in Waltham and hardly a place for an heiress, that would quietly admit a "boisterous" young lady without the need of undergoing a lobotomy.

64 posted on 01/08/2005 7:06:43 AM PST by cloud8
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To: Gomez

I think for most of us, the name Kennedy actually means retardation and hence makes mentioning retardation a bit redundant.


66 posted on 01/08/2005 7:12:24 AM PST by Taquito (Scotch, it's not just for breakfast anymore!)
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To: Gomez

The wrong Kennedy got the lobotomy. A better candidate would have been fat Teddy.

Lobotomies were performed on too many people that drugs would have preserved as functioning citizens.

Joe Kennedy couldn't stand to have a child of his be other than normal but all of the males he helped spawn turned out to be sex crazed idiots.


67 posted on 01/08/2005 7:12:33 AM PST by hgro
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To: cloud8
Among other options he could have pursued...Wouldn't a convent have taken her in?

Only one problem with that scenario. A lucid Rosemary could have talked to reporters. A lobotomized Rosemary couldn't. And don't think Joe didn't consider this when he made the decision.

68 posted on 01/08/2005 7:15:55 AM PST by LisaMalia (A safe and Happy New Year to our sevicemen and women!)
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To: Calvin Locke

Lyndon Johnson was a war criminal.


69 posted on 01/08/2005 7:20:28 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: MHT

No kidding. How long have the Kennedy's held political power in Mass?...70+ years?


70 posted on 01/08/2005 7:27:27 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: stylin19a
"The old man had her lobotomized because of her active interest in sex. "

Apparently only the male Kennedy children were allowed to be sex-crazed maniacs.

71 posted on 01/08/2005 7:27:29 AM PST by mass55th ("If I were two faced, would I be wearing this one?"----Abe Lincoln (1809-1865))
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To: Gomez

Why would she be a Kennedy "sister"? Isn't she just as much as a Kennedy as John, Bobby and Ted?


72 posted on 01/08/2005 7:29:24 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Numbers Guy

That would not be respectful. At least she was not alone when she died.


73 posted on 01/08/2005 7:40:37 AM PST by Mfkmmof4
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To: Gomez
RIP Rosemary Kennedy. Her life is the reason that other persons have benefited from public awareness of mental retardation. She was the inspiration for the Special Olympics program which continues to help families with special needs children. The Kennedy family has the good and the bad among them the same as all other families. Rosemary's life should be valued for itself and memory of her should not be attached to the real or perceived shortcomings of the rest of her family. Some of the posts on this thread are absolutely embarrassing, stupid, and uncalled for. Hatred for the Kennedys ill serves this woman who has died and is now released from the physical bounds of this earth.
74 posted on 01/08/2005 7:53:08 AM PST by dasein64
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To: LisaMalia
All I'm seeing on these threads is sympathy for a poor girl who was scarred for life at the hands of her disgusting, deceitful father. He is the one to be mocked, although I'm sure right now he is somewhere a little bit warmer than here, and has no clue what's going on here on God's earth.

I totally agree with you, God only knows how many other things Old Joe did that we'll never know about!

75 posted on 01/08/2005 4:39:15 PM PST by blondee123 (Proud Member of the FR Pajama Blogger Brigade - New Sheriffs in Town!)
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To: Gomez

Retarded Kennedy. Isn't that an oxymoron?


76 posted on 01/08/2005 4:43:39 PM PST by jackbill
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To: dasein64
Some of the posts on this thread are absolutely embarrassing, stupid, and uncalled for

I don't think so. However, I do think yours is somewhat uninformed.

Rosemary was not "retarded", as the MSM now chooses to call her. I defy you to show proof that she was. She had behavioral problems, and Joe Sr. couldn't have that in his quest for his sons to become a dynasty. So she was lobotomized.

By the way, ever hear the story about how Joe Jr. died? He was on a very, very dangerous mission to one-up Jack Kennedy for his PT-109 exploits. I guess you could say Joe Sr. was indirectly responsible for that one as well.

77 posted on 01/08/2005 4:49:58 PM PST by LisaMalia (A safe and Happy New Year to our sevicemen and women!)
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To: LisaMalia

I do not have access to the medical records of Rosemary Kennedy, and I doubt that anybody else on this board has. A woman has died and her death is being used as an excuse to vent on the Kennedy family for political reasons. I have read this and other threads on the lobotomy that Joe Kennedy had performed on his daughter, and although there is a lot of heat, there is zero enlightenment as to authenticated facts. Not going along with the general assumptions about the matter does not put me in sympathy with the Kennedy's politically or otherwise. I actually have read a good many books on the Kennedy family over the years and there is more than one point of view about the state of mental development of Rosemary Kennedy. I make no judgment on her treatment as I have no facts to base an opinion on. I do think that the theory that Joe Kennedy had the lobotomy done for male chauvinist reasons is a crock. Pop psychology at best. He was a repulsive and ethically bent person IMO, but not such a monster that he would deliberately destroy his child's brain.


78 posted on 01/08/2005 7:29:45 PM PST by dasein64
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To: LisaMalia

Good Lord..........!

I certainly don't call that love either. How callous the Kennedys must be.


79 posted on 01/08/2005 9:52:02 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: beaver fever

No thanks, beave. No research necessary. My point was simply that, even taking your interesting discourse into account, one would think that you might mention it to your wife before having your daughter lobotmized. No, I'll stay in my comfy seat on the justifiably-crowded hate Kennedy bandwagon. BTW, this episode, while justifying Kennedy "hatred" is far from the brightest jewel in the crown. My personal favorite is Teddy's impassioned advocacy of the Immigration Act of 1965, but there are so many, there's plenty for everyone.


80 posted on 01/12/2005 9:04:58 PM PST by j.havenfarm (Issuing my fatwas from the holy city of Auburn, California.)
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