Posted on 01/07/2005 9:14:48 PM PST by CurlyBill
Didn't somebody put a ghost up for sale on ebay?
Allow me a purely scientific point here, even though I do believe in God and I am a strong Christian. Physics tells us that energy can change forms, but does not just disappear. We know there is energy within our bodies which is essentially our personality. It's what keeps our heart beating and our brain working. It's what we are. When we die, there is really no energy there at all. We know it did not dissipate or "evaporate" because the laws of physics tell us that this is not possible. What happened to it?
So you're suggesting that when people die, their personalities, essentially a form of energy, get up and walk around in the form of people and try to communicate? Would that mean that the afterlife is your concious personality walking around the world forever? I'm just trying to figure out how the scientific explanation of ghosts works here. I think if that were the case, all the leftover energy from everyone who's ever existed would be walking around all over the place and would be pretty hard to miss by the average person.
I think that was Scooter Peterson's soul
I'm saying I don't understand it. There is an evergy within us, nobody can deny that. We also know that energy does not dissipate. What happens to it? Is there such a thing as "location" at that point? I really don't know. It's a great mystery, and for me it's very interesting and fun to discuss these things.
That being said, I believe that there are "spirits"of the air-- Lucifer's army if you will. These things can take form and fool you into thinking they are long lost relatives and friends--psychic vampires. A true believer can say to them, per the bible -- "The Lord rebuke you" and they have to go
A good explanation and I agree with it, but I'm curious as to whether or not science can point towards a weird phenomena where energy can take the form of a deceased person after they die, and basically linger around for a while. It sounds pretty far-fetched, but there are scientists that believe it's true. Maybe it's just a bad explanation for what is really supernatural, but are there any scientifically-minded freepers out there that care to enlighten me?
I just looked at that page, it's weird how some ghosts interact with people and some don't. Like some aren't aware they're dead and others have become aware. I think seeing a ghost would be interesting, but if he looked back at me and smiled or looked at me malevolently. Well, as Fred Sanford would say, I'd have a big one lol.
Personally I think it's people who are very attached to this life and need more time to let go. It fits with battlefields being haunted. Of course living out half conscious memories for eternity would be my idea of hell, so there's that theory too.
The scientific explanation: it's all a bunch of hokum. And what isn't hokum is nonsense.
Not if those memories involved a little something with a hot girlfriend. haha
Well, when we die, it goes into the ground as nutrients that then transfers to something else etc.
But, I believe some sort of energy remains after we die beyond this...Nightline sure convinced me a couple years ago. This could be what at least some aspects of hauntings are.
From a purely scientific standpoint, all the energy our body uses is stored in the form of high-energy chemicals: sugars, fatty acids, nucleotide phosphates, and other organic molecules. The brain places high demands for energy on the rest of the body and a continuous supply of these chemicals must be constantly provided by the circulatory system to meet those demands. There is no “aura” of energy that has to go somewhere when we die. Immediately after death, certain cells in your body may still be alive, and they will persist for a time until some limiting nutrient gets used up. There will remain plenty of energy stored in the form of fat and proteins, which becomes worm food. You can argue that a supernatural soul is released, but don’t try saying that science validates the existence of ghosts. Ever pull the plug on your computer? There is no ghost created as the CPU becomes starved of power.
Wow. Just like in the movies: House is haunted and the family STAYS.
MM
I think in some cases, we might experience an aberration in time. I personally believe in the eternal now, that all of time is still happening. Maybe it can overlap. While vacationing one time at the battle of the little Big Horn, I was awakened in the night by screaming Indians and the sound of a battle. I asked my wife the next morning why she was up so late with the tv blaring. She looked at me funny and said "Me? I thought it was you!" It was not a dream
Exactly...familiar spirits. It's why the bible says don't mess with them:
Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the LORD your God.
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deu 18:12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Very interesting. If the thing about the eternal now is true, it would hold water much better than the thing about energy. How does the eternal now work? Is it something like every event that's ever happened repeats itself or something for eternity in some dimention? Sounds like quantum mechanics or science fiction.
I think the battlefields would more likely be time related or evil entities attracted to suffering. There was one story on tv, Unsolved Mysteries I think, where a guard at Bullrun or somewhere saw a big fellow with green eyes. The bible and Jewish lore have a name for these things, the undead
Yes, I believe in it as I believe that God is outside of time and the whole time thing is a created thing
Lol, now we're getting into the undead? Where does the bible mention zombies? Yeah, I can't sleep and therefore treating this message board almost like an instant messenger.
"Nothing seems to work," Jennifer Meyers said. "We've even yelled 'In the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, go back where you came from,' but it didn't work."
If a demon IS at work here, a Wiccan is certainly NOT going to shoo away evil.
In the case of yelling "in the name of Jesus Christ," invoking His name is effective only had they truly had faith in Him.
It's obvious they did not.
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