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Veterans' groups speak out against Gonzales' nomination
Stars and Stripes ^ | January 6, 2005 | Leo Shane III

Posted on 01/06/2005 7:52:48 AM PST by Former Military Chick

WASHINGTON — Several veterans groups on Wednesday joined the chorus of opposition to President Bush’s nomination of Alberto Gonzales as attorney general, calling his legal opinions on torture a threat to U.S. forces worldwide.

On Tuesday, 12 retired admirals and generals — including former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. John Shalikashvili — sent a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee urging them to closely examine Gonzales’ position on torture before they approve him.

Veterans for Common Sense, which represents about 12,000 former military personnel, and other related groups took their criticism of Gonzales even further by asking senators to oppose his nomination.

“Not only does his position (on torture) violate the laws of the United States, but it has also endangered our U.S. servicemen,” said retired Air Force Col. Richard Klass, president of the Veterans Institute for Security and Democracy.

“Judge Gonzales has opened the way for any tin-horned dictator or corrupt head of state to do the same to our troops.”

Critics attacked the White House counsel not only for his January 2002 memo calling the Geneva Convention “obsolete” and “quaint” but also for what they call failings in his judicial review of death penalty cases while an adviser to Bush while the president was governor of Texas.

“We are not just opposed to torture because it is counterproductive; it is just plain wrong,” said Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst. “It is the rule of law that distinguishes us from the animals, who can’t tell right from wrong. This is not just an academic exercise.”

The groups submitted their own letter to the Senate, signed by nearly 3,600 veterans, asking that the controversies surrounding the torture memos be the focus of their confirmation hearings.

Those hearings for Gonzales are scheduled to begin Thursday.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; clintonistas; gonzales; hearings; raymcgovern; shalikashvili; vets
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Indeed the hearing has begun.

Got to love these military folks who seem to think their words mean something, that they can sway the minds of American's.

Not sure if you have been to the Veterans for Common Sense, but, they would not be the folks I would want to have served with or be a party to.

Oh this makes me mad1

1 posted on 01/06/2005 7:52:48 AM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick
Name one US POW since WWII that has been treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention....
2 posted on 01/06/2005 7:56:40 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Former Military Chick

Ok, I'm a veteran. I have no problem with his nomination. Should I form a group and get the media's attention?

Did the memos authorize stacking up naked prisoners and taking pictures of them? Did they authorize beating prisoners to death? No? Then what is the controversy?


3 posted on 01/06/2005 7:58:04 AM PST by MaineRepublic (Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. -- Euripides)
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To: Robe

But... But... We're supposed to be better than them. (/impersonation of a liberal who really doesn't care about human rights and is just interested in bashing the US)


4 posted on 01/06/2005 7:59:31 AM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: Former Military Chick

I just went to their website. I couldn't find any info about their donors of if this group is tax-exempt.


5 posted on 01/06/2005 8:00:19 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Former Military Chick
Bigos, Bigots, and more Bigots.

Minions of the leftwing moonbats Like UpChuck Shumer

6 posted on 01/06/2005 8:01:44 AM PST by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Good article in today's WSJ about a strategy the Bush White House should be employing. Link: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006122


7 posted on 01/06/2005 8:04:12 AM PST by MB6.3
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To: Former Military Chick

I believe that nearly all the veterans have been exposed as Kerry supporters.


8 posted on 01/06/2005 8:05:41 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach
Kerry served in Vietnam.... didn't you hear? That's why all the vets just love him.

By the way did you hear that Kerry served in Vietnam?

9 posted on 01/06/2005 8:10:21 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Former Military Chick
We need to find those who did the interrogations during Korea and Vietnam - nothing has changed and Gonzales is right on this. Sleep depravation is torture? With holding food is torture?

Torture is holding a captive, using television and the Media to warn the world that that person will be beheaded at X hour! The heads are not cleanly cut - they are hacked off. Now that is torture.

Military combatants either play by the same rules i.e., Geneva or we play by NO rules.

One side can’t be Politically Correct and fight while the other is held to nothing resembling Geneva Rules.

10 posted on 01/06/2005 8:15:56 AM PST by yoe
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To: Former Military Chick
These guys would be protesting if they knew what really goes on in the field. The rules get rewritten everyday in order to keep us safe.

I don't care what it takes to get rid of the Islamist.
11 posted on 01/06/2005 8:19:50 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Peach

"I believe that nearly all the veterans have been exposed as Kerry supporters."



Swift Boat Veterans For Truth beg to differ.


12 posted on 01/06/2005 8:27:23 AM PST by Blzbba (Conservative Republican - Less gov't, less spending, less intrusion.)
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To: Robe

Right and about having a dictator of another counrty do the same to our troops??? They arent torturing them they are KILLING our guys!!!


13 posted on 01/06/2005 8:35:50 AM PST by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: Dick Vomer
V-vet for Gonzales.

"Audie" Kerry

14 posted on 01/06/2005 8:41:35 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Former Military Chick

Ah yes, General Shalliwashyourwilli back on the tube for his five more minutes of infamy.


15 posted on 01/06/2005 8:52:37 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: MaineRepublic
If you support Gonzales you will get NO attention at all.

As you well know!!

However, you can call the US Capitol and speak to your senator.......1-800-839-5276

16 posted on 01/06/2005 8:54:09 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: OldFriend
What really IS quaint is the use of the "Veterans" banner as a safe place for liberal 'RATs to congregate under. Knowing that their opposition values the military (and shares the values of the military), they know that this is the most palatable flavor of 'RAT to the average joe.

The the vets who understand that the 'RATs are anti-American, however...are simply disgusted. I wish they would find some other common trait to band together under--like "Volkswagen Van Owners Against Gonzales".

17 posted on 01/06/2005 9:44:48 AM PST by RedQuill
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To: RedQuill

Heard General Weasley Clark on with Chrissy Matthews the other night. He says he never met Gonzales but thinks he should NOT be confirmed.


18 posted on 01/06/2005 9:52:32 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Former Military Chick
“Not only does his position (on torture) violate the laws of the United States, but it has also endangered our U.S. servicemen,” said retired Air Force Col. Richard Klass, president of the Veterans Institute for Security and Democracy.

Methinks this Col. needs to re-read the Geneva Convention. Terrorists don't qualify for protection under the Geneva Convention.

You'd think he would know this. However, based on his statement, he doesn't sound like the sharpest knife in the drawer.

And, as a veteran, I have no problem doing whatever it takes to extract information from enemy combatants - information that may save the lives of my fellow soldiers.
19 posted on 01/06/2005 9:52:52 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: Robe

Granting POW status and protections to illegal combatants weakens the Geneva Conventions. If illegal combatants can be assured of receiving POW status and treatment, no one would choose to be a legal combatant.


20 posted on 01/06/2005 9:56:22 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Patriotism is patriotic.)
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