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Feinstein and Chafee want to abolish Electoral College
The Providence Journal ^ | 1/6/05 | Scott McKay

Posted on 01/06/2005 7:06:55 AM PST by EA_Man

Electoral College must go say Chafee and Feinstein

The senators support legislation and a subsequent constitutional amendment eliminating the 18th-century method of electing presidents.

01:00 AM EST on Thursday, January 6, 2005 BY SCOTT MacKAY Journal Staff Writer

PROVIDENCE -- In a bipartisan alliance to abolish the Electoral College, Rhode Island Republican Sen. Lincoln Chafee said yesterday he will join California Democrat Sen. Diane Feinstein's proposal to get rid of the electoral system used to choose U.S. presidents and replace it with a one-person, one-vote popular plebisicite.

Feinstein said recently she will introduce legislation to eliminate the Electoral College, which has its roots in the 18th century, and use the popular vote to determine the White House victor.

Chafee said in an interview yesterday that the Electoral College makes too many voters irrelevant in the modern presidential election process. Rhode Island, seen as a staunchly Democratic state in presidential politics, has received virtually no attention from major party presidential candidates in recent election cycles, Chafee said.

"Under the current system, the only states that get any candidate visits are the battleground states," said Chafee. "As a Rhode Islander . . . I'd like to see the presidential candidates make an investment in Rhode Island. The last election came down to just Ohio and Florida."

What is more, Chafee said, is that a tie in the Electoral College in a presidential election would push the decision into the House of Representatives, where each state would get one vote. That, Chafee said, would not be a representative system.

Chafee acknowledged that the legislation abolishing the Electoral College is not likely to receive serious attention from the Republican Senate leadership. "Its chances of seeing the light of day are slim . . . but it is the right thing to do."

The legislation will probably be introduced Jan. 24, the first day senators can submit legislation, said Howard Gantman, Feinstein's spokesman.

And despite popular support, the proposal would face a difficult path because it would require a constitutional amendment. It takes a two-thirds vote of both chambers of Congress and ratification by 38 states for an amendment to become law.

It is an irony of the 21st century that presidential elections in an era of the Internet and internationl jet travel are decided by the Electoral College, a system established by men -- no women were allowed to vote -- who communicated by quill pen and horseback mail and traveled by clipper ship.

The system was erected by the men who founded the United States in 1789 because they did not trust average citizens. Voting was restricted to white males who owned property. And they only allowed those voters to select one segment of the U.S. government -- the federal House of Representatives.

U.S. senators were chosen by legislatures until 1913, when popular election of senators was established. The founders established the Electoral College -- which in those days was made up of community and political leaders -- to pick the president.

The Electoral College has evolved into a system that favors small states -- those with fewer than 10 electoral votes -- and focuses presidential campaigns almost entirely on closely contested states.

Each state's electoral vote is determined by adding the number of representatives, which is determined by population, and senators. Each state gets two senators, so California, with more than 30 million residents, and Rhode Island, with about 1 million, each start with two electoral votes. The rest of each state's electoral votes are determined by the number of people living in a state, as measured every 10 years by the Census Bureau. In almost every state, electoral votes are awarded on a winner-take-all basis, meaning that a candidate who wins Rhode Island by 100,000 votes or 1 vote gets all of the state's 4 electoral votes.

The winner-take-all aspect means that major party presidential candidates do not really compete for every vote. Rather, they concentrate their campaigning and spending on the narrow number of states that public opinon polls show as competitive.

Thus, Rhode Island and Massachusetts, viewed as Democratic strongholds in most presidential elections, receive scant attention from major candidates. Rhode Island and Massachusetts have supported the Democratic candidate in every presidential election since 1988. Some of the urgency in changing the system has been drained away since the 2004 reelection of President Bush over Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, an election where the Electoral College results mirrored the popular vote. But in 2000, Bush, who was then the Texas governor, won the Electoral College by a 271-266 margin over former Vice President Al Gore. That disputed election went to the U.S. Supreme Court, which upheld Mr. Bush's win despite Gore's victory by more than 500,000 in the popular vote.

There have been four disputed presidential elections in which the man elected president lost the popular vote -- John Q. Adams in 1824, Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison 1888 and Mr. Bush in 2000.

"The Electoral College is an anchronism and the time has come to bring our democracy into the 21st century," said Feinstein, in a statement. "During the founding years of the Republic, the Electoral College may have been a suitable system, but today it is flawed and amounts to national elections being decided in several battleground states."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: L98Fiero
I don't care what you call it.

I call it "Chuck-E-Cheese's" with the exit doors chained shut.

Now THAT would be Hell!

81 posted on 01/06/2005 8:55:04 AM PST by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: L98Fiero
Exactly.

Can't you just see Wyoming, Alaska, R.I., Delaware, etc. standing right in line to sign onto this proposal? Yah, su-u-ure. What a monumental waste of time, sheesh.

82 posted on 01/06/2005 8:56:59 AM PST by SAJ
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To: EA_Man
Feinstein said recently she will introduce legislation to eliminate the Electoral College Constitution, which has its roots in the 18th century, and use the popular vote will of the people, to determine the White House victor damn near everything from here on out, unalienable rights notwithstanding.
83 posted on 01/06/2005 8:59:12 AM PST by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: George Smiley

I mean, as in GOP gaining votes. Both cases GOP lost votes.


84 posted on 01/06/2005 8:59:53 AM PST by Nataku X (There are no converts in Islam... only hostages.)
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To: nuke rocketeer
Abolition of the electoral college will ensure that no candidate will pay any great amount of attention to small states. They will concentrate their efforts even more on the large population states and ignore the small ones. It is this tendency that the eectoral college was designed to counter. The Founding fathers were not stupid dead white men, despite the generally held beliefs of the liberals and MSM.

I used to think that, too. The reality is that only the battleground states count. The three largest states - California, New York, Texas - were ignored in the last campaign. Here in Ohio, I saw the President on the Thursday AND Sunday before election day. Even Hawaii got more attention than some of the big states! I would think that states in the South and Plains that went big for GWB aren't happy that they never got a chance to see the President.

I really don't have any use for the EC, but whether we use popular vote or electoral vote is not going to make a difference most of the time.

Also note that if we had PV rather than EV, Boxer wouldn't be able to challenge Ohio's vote. She'd have to make a national challenge.

85 posted on 01/06/2005 9:05:44 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: mdhunter; All

You want voting fraud in Chicago to elect Big Government Liberals?


86 posted on 01/06/2005 9:12:56 AM PST by M 91 u2 K
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To: You Dirty Rats

"I used to think that, too. The reality is that only the battleground states count."

States will no longer matter. The battlegrounds will shift. You will see candidates totally ignoring the rural areas and small to midsize cities in favor of the large and mega urban and suburban areas. Campaigning will occur almost totally in the Boston-Baltimore megalopolis, Chicago and its suburban collar counties, DFW, Houston, The LA-San Diego megalopolis, Atlanta, South Florida, Pheonix, and Denver.


87 posted on 01/06/2005 9:19:23 AM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: Borges

"The Electoral College has evolved into a system that favors small states -- those with fewer than 10 electoral votes -- and focuses presidential campaigns almost entirely on closely contested states."

-Just who the hell does Lincoln Chafee think he represents?
I hope the people of Rhode Island sit up and take notice that he does not have a clue about their interests. Nepotism at work.


88 posted on 01/06/2005 9:27:47 AM PST by johnnycap
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To: Borges

"The Electoral College has evolved into a system that favors small states -- those with fewer than 10 electoral votes -- and focuses presidential campaigns almost entirely on closely contested states."

-Just who the hell does Lincoln Chafee think he represents?
I hope the people of Rhode Island sit up and take notice that he does not have a clue about their interests. Nepotism at work.


89 posted on 01/06/2005 9:28:15 AM PST by johnnycap
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To: Howlin

Okay, I was working off the top of my head. You know, the way we are losing population in MA. by the time the 2010 censu is taken we may lose another seat. Which two Dems will stab each other in the back? Most likely Steve Lynch will get thrown under the bus. He only has a 40% rating by ACLU.


90 posted on 01/06/2005 9:35:10 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Lazamataz

Laz, I will finally let you buy me that gun if this happens.


91 posted on 01/06/2005 9:35:49 AM PST by Howlin (I need my Denny Crane!)
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To: massgopguy

How many states do you think would be against it, looking at that list?


92 posted on 01/06/2005 9:36:33 AM PST by Howlin (I need my Denny Crane!)
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To: b4its2late
Chafee and Feinstein, this is for you:

93 posted on 01/06/2005 9:44:25 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: shield

LOL!!!!!


94 posted on 01/06/2005 10:11:52 AM PST by b4its2late (Liberals are good examples of why some animals eat their young.)
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To: EA_Man

That means that Detroit will have more of an election say that 22 states combined. Sounds like demonocracy to me.


95 posted on 01/06/2005 10:53:27 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Nataku X
Believe it or not, the EC makes your vote MORE important, not less so.

The article appeared in Discover Magazine in 1996 and is entitled "Math against Tyranny".

It can be found in many places on the Web.

96 posted on 01/06/2005 12:24:54 PM PST by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: EA_Man

This is a dumb move on many levels.


97 posted on 01/06/2005 12:25:54 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: HenryLeeII
They are seeking and amendment to the Constitution.
They are not violating the Constitution by introducing an amendment, and if their amendment doesn't amend the relevant clauses, then the SCOTUS will (should) over-turn.
98 posted on 01/06/2005 12:29:10 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Howlin
And traditionally the time limit is 2-yrs.
99 posted on 01/06/2005 12:30:03 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: philman_36

Well said.


100 posted on 01/06/2005 12:32:43 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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