Posted on 01/05/2005 3:15:47 PM PST by Blast_Master
Based on Conyers treacherous, disloyal attempt perpetuate fraud in the highest office. Only the House by a 2/3 majority can have him expelled from office. If a Senator joins as a co-conspirator to commit un-American acts, the Senate can do likewise.
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th Amendment.I'm pretty bugged about the pilfered turkey thing too, but I don't know if it merits expulsion.
We wish, pal.
45 yrs ago, yes; today, no freaking chance.
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hmmmm....
I think attempting to do this will only seem to legitimize what he is attempting to do.
Sitting back and laughing at him is the best way to react.
Please realize HE WANTS you to get mad. He wants a reaction from you.....
There are bigger fish to fry anyway....
He's been investigated before and came out of it okay...DAng, he's from my state. Dingal, Conyers, Levin, Granholm...All the lefties. Stabenaw
His comparing Republicans to Nazis on letterhead provided by U.S. taxpayers as well as his attempt tommorow to refute a valid and legal U.S. Presidential election are tantamount to Disloyalty. If enough Americans called their representitives, he could be expelled from the House. This is clear... whether there is the will or not is another thing. He is disloyal to the United States and should be expelled in my opinion.
I'm trying to find the "Oath" that the Black Caucus members take...it's not on their website, and I Googled it..any ideas?
Evidently, from the law... there is a lot of leeway on the House's part on determining disloyalty.
Part of it is an Oath of allegiance to the United States....
when your opponents are busy committing suicide, leave them alone..
No, it's not disloyalty. It's obnoxiousness, it's offensive, it's behavior worthy of being held up for rebuttal and ridicule. But it's not disloyalty. He has the free speech right to make odious comparisons and he has the right, as a member of Congress, to challenge the electoral college results.
Moving to expel him makes him a victim. It doesn't change anything other than to make his ridiculous positions look more tenable because he'll be portrayed as being persecuted. And even if he was expelled, someone just as bad would replace him.
I live in Michigan. I can remember Conyers' obnoxious behavior going back a loooong time and I can't wait until he's an ex-Congressman. But there aren't grounds to expel him for trying to make hay about Ohio. As others have noted, he's going to fail miserably tomorrow, so watch him try and fail and laugh at him.
Now the turkey thing, there's a story with legs (pardon the pun).
Once these guys get in, they're there forever. Unless Daschle is your name. But even that was a revolt from his constituents. And with Detroit, The dems have a lock on it. What with the Unions and all. My husband is a member of the UAW but we've never voted as they've told us. Thank GOD.
I can't even remember the name of the Repub who ran against her. He was an uninspiring candidate. Still, she's done nothing. I have a friend who works for FIA and she works 40 hrs. for 36 hrs. pay. I think if we find a better candidate, she'll be gone. (and send Detroit to Canada)
He has the right to contest the election, and the House has the right to expell him. I was initially looking for how representatives and senators could be recalled when I found they could not and could only be expelled by their respective houses. Few people may agree that he should be expelled, but I feel that contesting an election is not a light matter, and when done for the sake of publicity and without merit, a truly un-American act of treachorous disloyalty to the United States.
thats your opinion...but apparently you want him to quit exposing how on the fringe the Democrats have become.
This guy is digging his political grave by doing this. Let him.
As for being disloyal, one could have said the same thing about you 6 or 7 years ago when Clinton was around, but you had Free Speech rights. So does Rep. Conyers, no matter how insane or crazy he gets.....
I want him to be expelled after he tries to contest the election. If not.. this will become the new norm. Every election WILL be contested in congress. Just as every election that provides a Republican winner will suffer algorism.
You know, taking this nutcase seriously will just end up making you have ulcers. This is probably the most "moderate" thing Conyers has done in about 16 years.....
Question: Is Conyers your Representative? I don't think there is anything you or anyone on here can do to get other Representatives to expel him mainly because they will be too busy voice voting him down and laughing at him.
He is not my representitive.. but isn't it a beautiful idea that my representitive could sponsor his expulsion?
no....
it isnt going to happen. Don't get your hopes up. Everyone isnt taking him seriously, even on the Democrats side and no I dont mean DU.
Taking him seriously is the worst thing you can do.
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