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God (or Not), Physics and, of Course, Love: Scientists Take a Leap
The New York Times ^ | January 4, 2005

Posted on 01/05/2005 9:14:33 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

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To: LibWhacker
If you're referring to the article itself, there are many more responses to John Brockman's question on the Edge website. Go here:

Edge for January 4, 2005

21 posted on 01/05/2005 10:40:11 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

I'll try later, if I remember. Can't get through right now.


22 posted on 01/05/2005 10:44:22 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: snarks_when_bored

John Brockman, "Third culture", Prof Dawkins.

beware of the enemy within, folks.

If you cannot recognize the enemy, you and your posterity are condemned to the tyranny of the anti-Christians.

Don't let these fakes and phonies bamboozle you with their lies and distortions. Don't let them divide you.

You've been warned.


23 posted on 01/05/2005 10:47:34 AM PST by TAquinas
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To: exnavychick; snarks_when_bored
I liked this one. :)

Really? To me it sounds like he's describing an insane obsession.

24 posted on 01/05/2005 10:47:57 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

LOL, I guess you could look at it that way. I took it a bit more poetically, myself. :)


25 posted on 01/05/2005 10:52:24 AM PST by exnavychick (I'm no expert, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!)
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To: TAquinas

John Brockman, "Third culture", Prof Dawkins.

beware of the enemy within, folks.

If you cannot recognize the enemy, you and your posterity are condemned to the tyranny of the anti-Christians.

Don't let these fakes and phonies bamboozle you with their lies and distortions. Don't let them divide you.

You've been warned.

I make up my own mind about everything. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you probably do, too. Don't forget that your namesake, Aquinas, spent the better part of his life thinking about the works of the pagan philosopher, Aristotle. And no less a Catholic than Dante called the pagan Aristotle, "the master of those who know."

Wisdom and knowledge are where one finds them.

26 posted on 01/05/2005 10:54:55 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

BTTT


27 posted on 01/05/2005 10:56:36 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: snarks_when_bored
I make up my own mind about everything.

It's nice to think that about oneself, but I seriously doubt it's true for anybody.

I'm willing to bet that you (like I) respond emotionally more often then you'd like; and you do things for no apparent reason other than that people have always done it that way -- and that includes some rather significant philosophical, moral, and/or political issues.

28 posted on 01/05/2005 10:59:52 AM PST by r9etb
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To: DarkSavant
I swear the more brilliant the scientist, the most insanely idiotic his metaphysical views. Must be a pride thing.

That has to be one of the most brilliant things I've read in quite a long time. Congratulations and thanks. It's always good to meet other sentient beings along the way.

29 posted on 01/05/2005 11:00:22 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: r9etb
I make up my own mind about everything.

It's nice to think that about oneself, but I seriously doubt it's true for anybody.

I'm willing to bet that you (like I) respond emotionally more often then you'd like; and you do things for no apparent reason other than that people have always done it that way -- and that includes some rather significant philosophical, moral, and/or political issues.

If there's something significant about which I express opinions, I've thought about it. That's my way. And that's especially true about philosophical, moral and/or political issues. It's a long-standing habit.

I exclude, of course, many of the matters of 'animal faith' which underpin our daily existence. I don't make up my own mind about how chlorophyll converts sunlight into energy, or anything of that sort.

30 posted on 01/05/2005 11:17:02 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
And that's especially true about philosophical, moral and/or political issues. It's a long-standing habit.

Like you, I like to think that I've thought through such things. Even so, I've found that all too often I've based a lot of my thinking on preconceived notions that I simply accepted as true.

In fact, no matter how hard you try to think things through, you're going to find that at some level you must simply accept on faith the idea that certain basic assumptions are true.

31 posted on 01/05/2005 11:26:45 AM PST by r9etb
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To: snarks_when_bored; Junior; VadeRetro; longshadow

I suspect this is more of a religion thread than it is science. I'll issue a ping if you guys want me to.


32 posted on 01/05/2005 11:32:39 AM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: r9etb
In fact, no matter how hard you try to think things through, you're going to find that at some level you must simply accept on faith the idea that certain basic assumptions are true.

That's not quite the same point I understood you to be making earlier.

Of course it's true that not everything can be proved. My only point is that I try to think carefully about the things I care about, the things I express opinions on, and I try to understand what are the things I'm taking for granted (the things I'm not going to, or am not able to, prove).

As I said originally, I make up my own mind about things. I didn't say I can prove everything.

33 posted on 01/05/2005 11:33:18 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

If I had more time, I'd really like to discuss this further. But alas, I don't right now. Perhaps I'll hit you up on it later.


34 posted on 01/05/2005 11:46:08 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Will look forward to it. Best regards...


35 posted on 01/05/2005 11:49:37 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
I believe, but I cannot prove, that most "Scientists" are really "Sciencists" in sheep's clothing.
36 posted on 01/05/2005 11:49:48 AM PST by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: Theophilus
I believe, but I cannot prove, that most "Scientists" are really "Sciencists" in sheep's clothing.

Does that also explain their 'woolly' thinking?

37 posted on 01/05/2005 11:53:40 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: DarkSavant
Sir, please prove two plus two equals four...
But this is a definition of "four", and definitions are not subject to proof, being agreements about the assigned meaning of words. And to get four, count thou two and two together; and the number of thy counting shall be four... Three thou shalt not count, unless it be on your way to count four; nor five, unless thou countest in error...
38 posted on 01/05/2005 11:55:46 AM PST by GSlob
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To: snarks_when_bored
Does that also explain their 'woolly' thinking?

Yes, many seem to have an affinity for that type of thinking. And, though they can't see it, it's as obvious as the back of their neck.

39 posted on 01/05/2005 12:10:07 PM PST by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: GSlob
But this is a definition of "four", and definitions are not subject to proof, being agreements about the assigned meaning of words.

You're correct, that was a bad example on my part. I bow to your superior wisdom.
40 posted on 01/05/2005 1:29:13 PM PST by DarkSavant (Then it's obvious what we must do, let's.... kill human)
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