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To: eleni121
"First of all, I used the word "democracy" in its philosophical sense, not as a specific reference to how our nation functions."

BS. Here are your words in context, as you typed them:

"As such, in a democracy we should be able to amend, interpret, and rescind parts of it.

Rationalize if you want, but that is not how operate system is supposed to work no matter how many people believe otherwise. The Constitution is ignored, but until is is denounced by the government as dead, or amended as required by the Founders, I still expect it to be honored as it now stands. When it lives, as you suggest, then it begins to die.

"As to the rest of what you say - the problem of the people letting government take their money etc etc - stems from the secularization of our nation---we are no longer willing as a nation of individuals to take responsibility for our communities and each other in the name of spiritual values; we would rather let the impersonal State do it for us."

You put the cart before the horse. Giving dropped after government started the welfare state not the other way around. Even still, the American people are the most generous in the world. If we still had our whole paycheck, giving would soar. The government set the pace during the Depression and people got used to sucking on the government teat.

172 posted on 01/06/2005 2:33:35 PM PST by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Badray

I am concerned that you are letting some agenda get in the way of understanding what I write.

What I said was that secularization and all that it entails (ceding to the govt many of the functions that previously were handled at the local level - education, charity, etc) has led to many of the problems we have including our allowing the state to handle the social issues facing our communities. Once that happened, there was no stopping the trend. Secularists - bureacrats call them what you will can never be satisfied with involving themselves in people's lives.


But now we see a more conservative trend taking shape and that trend should make some inroads on this bureacracy if we keep voting conservatives into power. And that I why I am optimistic. And you are not apparently.


173 posted on 01/06/2005 2:45:00 PM PST by eleni121 (Four more years and then four more years)
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