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CorridorWatch Member NEWS (01.03.05)
Corridor Watch ^ | January 3, 2005 | David Stall

Posted on 01/03/2005 5:12:11 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

CorridorWatch Member NEWS (01.03.05)
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HAPPY NEW YEAR! IN 2005 TOLLS ARE ALREADY A HOT TOPIC

As the new year started the news across the country has been filled with complaints and issues surrounding tolls and toll roads. No not in Texas but in places where drivers are supposed to freely accept toll roads, like Illinois and Pennsylvania.

Seems that states who have much more history with toll project than Texas are discovering that toll roads are not necessarily the solution to highway funding woes.

NON-TRIVIAL PURSUIT

Q: Who has the most expensive toll road in North America?
A: Ontario, Canada. 407-ETR a concession toll road. Major equity partner, Cintra.

Q: Who has the most expensive toll road in the United States?
A: Chicago, Illinois. The Chicago Skyway a concession toll road. Operator, Cintra.

Q: Who has Texas selected to build at least 300 miles of new toll roads?
A: Cintra.

THE NEW YEAR IS TAKING A GREATER TOLL

A headline in yesterday’s Sun-Times (IL) reads, “Doubling of rates sets off some toll-road rage.” That was the reaction when cash tolls on the Illinois State Toll Roads (not a concession) jumped from 40-cents to 80-cents (the new cash rate is now 6-cents per mile). Happy New Year!

The Chicago Skyway, already the most expensive toll road in America, celebrated the New Year by raising tolls another 25-percent. Under a 2004 concession agreement Cintra can double toll charges during the first 10-years of its 99-year lease. They’re off to a quick start.

High tolls and collection issues spark conflict with Cintra consortium in Ontario where the provincial government has taken the concession company to court over toll increases. Officials believed that the complex agreement protected them from excessive toll increases, but the toll road concessionaire interpreted the agreement differently. So far the courts have agreed with the company.

In 1999 the "ETR Consortium" bid $3.1 billion to purchase the 407 ETR, making it the largest privatization deal in Canadian history. 407 ETR Concession Company Ltd purchased the right to own and operate Highway 407 ETR for 99 years, along with the obligation to finance, design and build the west and east partial extensions of the highway. The 600+ page contract wasn’t made available to the public until 2002.

Ontario has seen a steady increase in complaints about their Cintra consortium toll road. So many in fact that their Transportation Minister has ordered a highway review. The government even established a 407 Review website.

http://www.407review.gov.on.ca

PA TOLL ROADS CRITICIZED FOR COST & LACK OF RETURN

An article appearing in Pittsburgh’s Tribune-Review yesterday details how toll road expansions in that state have resulted in multiple toll hikes and still fall short of the revenues required to complete the new roads. Now they are looking for another revenue source - - a gasoline-tax increase.

In 1992 Pennsylvania Governor Robert Casey called the Ross Highway "an expressway to economic opportunity." However, more than a dozen years later the highway has never lived up to expectation nor has it delivered on the predicted economic benefits.

A former public utility commissioner is quoted as recently saying, “The Turnpike Commission is behaving as if its main mission is to deliver pork to certain interests and politicians."

There’s a lot we could learn from these examples before making the same mistakes on our own 4,000-mile Texas size boondoggle.

The entire article can be found at:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/s_288437.html

CINTRA SAYS TX TOLLS MAY BE 4 TIMES HIGHER THAN PA & NJ TOLLS

While residents of Pennsylvania protest their 5.8-cents per mile tolls and Illinois drivers exhibit toll-rage at 6-cents per mile, Texas will soon saddle its drivers with monster tolls.

During last months press conference Cintra indicated that the TTC tolls would likely range between 10 and 20-cents per mile. That’s significantly higher than most turnpike projects in the country.

According to yesterday’s Tribune-Review article, Pennsylvania and Florida turnpikes have the highest toll costs for passenger vehicles. Nine states have turnpike toll rates below 5-cents per mile. New Jersey is at a nickel, PA at 5.8-cents and Florida 6-cents per mile.

The article graphic can be found at:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/pages/newsextra/0102tcompare.pdf

Texas drivers can look forward to shelling out somewhere between $31.60 and $63.20 on the first 326-mile section of TTC-35 (one-way, passenger car). By contrast the 369-mile Pennsylvania Turnpike crosses the entire state with a toll of only $21.25 (one-way, passenger car).

Using TxDOT and Cintra’s own numbers to do the calculations, we see that using the Trans Texas Corridor will cost the average driver a toll that’s equal to between $2.21 and $4.42 per gallon tax. Today that same driver pays only 38.4-cents per gallon in gasoline tax. Of course Corridor drivers will need to pay both, a combined toll/tax cost of between $2.59 and $4.80 per gallon.

HAPPY NEW YEAR !


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 407etr; boondoggle; cintra; corridorwank; corridorwankers; debt; landgrab; pennturnpikes; skyway; texas; texas4sale; tollrage; tollroads; tolls; transportation; transtexascorridor; ttc; ttc35
Yep. This road will be plutonium with those toll rates.
1 posted on 01/03/2005 5:12:12 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 1rudeboy; 38special; Alamo-Girl; basil; BobL; farmfriend; Feckless; Freebird Forever; ...

Trans-Texas Corridor PING!


2 posted on 01/03/2005 5:15:40 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; MeekOneGOP; SwinneySwitch; The South Texan; Theodore R.
I'm not sure about the whole proposed 4,000 mile corridor system, but parts of it need to be built. I-35 is way too congested 24/7 52 weeks per year. The corridors have been proposed to have truck lanes separate from passenger lanes and double tracked rail plus utility and other rights of way. I think it is better to have some concentrated corridors than keep trying to expand the hodgepodge of highways we have today. I also think the double tracked rail right of way is way overdue in Texas. The railroads in Texas have not kept up with the increase in population in the 20th century. If more goods shipped by rail, fewer trucks would be needed on the roads.
3 posted on 01/03/2005 5:26:54 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yesterday or the day before, a local Pittsburgh TV reporter followed one of the esteemed members of the PA Turnpike Commission around asking him questions about all his relatives who work for ridiculous salaries for the Turnpike Comm. His brother-in-law is a plumber on the payroll and the reporter kept asking the guy what about this relative and that relative, on and on. He looked smugly right into the camera with each question and told us taxpayers how each of these relatives were worth that salary and more and if he had more good hard-working relatives they'd be on the payroll too. The arrogance of the guy was really amazing. Most cockroaches run when someone shines the light on them. These people KNOW there is not one damned thing PA taxpayers can do about the commission and choose to rub our noses in it.


4 posted on 01/03/2005 5:32:26 PM PST by penowa
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Mucho thanks for the Ping.

Excellent posting - I gave it a bookmark just to have it ready when the drug-induced Libertarian-types challenge my opposition (hatred, actually) to toll roads. I've been posting for the past week that there is NO WAY that Cintra will not protect itself in this scam. The protection will be some form of non-compete clauses in the contract. But guess what, we only get to see the contract after it's finalized (or maybe 3 years after, as Canada found out).

Perry must go - and I do will everything possible, up to, and including voting Democratic for the Governor, if necessary (which I did so in 2002, when I saw this coming). I've been called a troll and just about every other name on this site for documenting my vote - but I challenge anyone to look at any of my other postings and say that I'm the least bit liberal. To Texans, this Toll Road sellout is for worse than any damage (economic, that is) that the feds have every done to us. This must be stopped.
5 posted on 01/03/2005 5:37:50 PM PST by BobL
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To: penowa

Maybe it's time for a new political party to take over in Pennsylvania--not Republicans or Democrats, but, say, Constitution Party?


6 posted on 01/03/2005 5:38:01 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: BobL
Perry must go - and I do will everything possible, up to, and including voting Democratic for the Governor, if necessary (which I did so in 2002, when I saw this coming).

Let's hope it doesn't come to that. You might be trading one big government wet dream for another.

7 posted on 01/03/2005 5:40:02 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I agree with your post, but remember, we now own the Legislature - even a Democrat can only do limited damage (not true at the Presidential level, but definitely true at the TX gov level)

Ideally, he drops this scheme and proposes something in the interest of Texans (some gas tax increase, and maybe some state/county toll roads). But it's hard to see that happening now. If he does drop it - I'll vote for him tomorrow over any Dem - and even over any Rep in the Primary.

But I think that it will come down to the Legislature saving his butt on this - the question being: will they? If not, then ousting him in the Primary for Kay clearly has to be next.

Voting against him (again) in November is a last resort to me, but I'll do it if necessary. Otherwise, I'll probably won't be able to tolerate living in this state.
8 posted on 01/03/2005 5:47:40 PM PST by BobL
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I already vote that way when I have an opportunity but I think it really is futile. PA is in the clutches of the Republicrats and the best bet is to vote with your feet.


9 posted on 01/03/2005 5:52:54 PM PST by penowa
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To: penowa

Or your wheels. Just don't drive on the turnpikes.


10 posted on 01/03/2005 6:00:32 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: BobL
Someone in Tx working to kill this boondoggle needs to go up to OK and take some pictures.

The Turner turnpike was built in the 50's along route 66. Yet just inside the toll both gates, the roadside business corridor stops abruptly. Where the free I-35 has massive roadside business (and it's associated tax base), just across the toll booth has none. All of this occured after the toll road was built in the 50's.

The other end of I-44 is the same. On the Will Rogers turnpike, the countryside is lonely. But just on the other side of the OK border, roadside business has blossomed all over.

A few comparative pictures would tell a thousand words.

Another point needs to be spread to the voters. If there are toll roads, where is the incentive to keep the free roads in repair. Since the toll roads will be bringing in taxes, the government will have incentive to let the existing free roads fall into disrepair, if not close them outright.

This is similar to the toll lanes on the 91 "freeway" west of Corona California, where the government has an incentive to never keep adequate free lanes, because they receive tax money on the toll lanes. These lanes are just in the mountain pass, where there are no alternatives to that road. Nice.

Good free roads create economic development. Toll roads are a long run economic drain, because they discurage travel except from widely separated points. No off-ramp businesses or housing is developed.

Someone should do a real economic analysis on this, and I suspect that the long term bennefits to the tax base and economy is negative. This is a stupid idea, both for the people and for government itself.

Check out Phoenix. We've added lots of new freeways, and the economy is growing like no tomorrow. Someone proposed a toll road for the East Valley, but it got shot down in flames.

Travel creates an economy. The country developed along rivers and the coast because it offered a method of travel. Any dis-incentive to travel dampens it, and thus the economy.

11 posted on 01/03/2005 6:04:56 PM PST by narby
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To: narby
No argument from me.

Here's another case study you can add to your collection:

Down in the Houston area there is a proposal to build what is called the "Grand Parkway". It is a loop with a radius of about 25 miles of the city. When it was proposed as a freeway, the property owners (who have some type of organization) all agreed to DONATE their land to the state for the project. But, our wise planners (I think before Perry, in this case), decided to now make it a Toll Road. The property owners told the state that their offer was off the table, and they now have to buy the land. Obviously the property owners know that building a Toll Road will give them about the same amount of land value increase as designating their land as Wilderness Area.

Now for you drug-induced Libertarians out there, who think that Toll Roads are the second coming of the Savior for capitalism - my question is: Where does capitalism flourish - next to Toll Roads or next to Freeways? Face it - freeways are a good thing and, while they clearly need improvement, the system does not need to ripped up and thrown out - which is essentially what our governor is in the process of doing here.
12 posted on 01/03/2005 6:19:17 PM PST by BobL
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


13 posted on 01/03/2005 9:12:26 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Please donate monthly to Free Republic!)
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To: narby

I'm just curious as to why toll road owners don't just put numerous exits off the toll road. That would certainly be better for business, as well as for travelers who have a greater variety of options for exits. I suspect people would be more willing to pay for these roads if they had more exits. Just a question.


14 posted on 01/04/2005 11:34:43 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Alamo-Girl

You're welcome.


15 posted on 01/04/2005 11:35:06 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I'm just curious as to why toll road owners don't just put numerous exits off the toll road. That would certainly be better for business, as well as for travelers who have a greater variety of options for exits. I suspect people would be more willing to pay for these roads if they had more exits. Just a question.

Costs more money to handle the different tolls for different exists.

Even with more exits, it's just natural for people to avoid spending money when they don't have to. Quite a lot of economic activity is "impulse". And if you discurage travel, then the opportunity for impulse buying declines. Thus any toll road will have less effect on economic activity than a free road, even with the same number of exits.

16 posted on 01/04/2005 11:41:56 AM PST by narby
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"I'm just curious as to why toll road owners don't just put numerous exits."

A few reasons (and a good question):

1) Obviously the extra exits cost money.

2) The exits will likely add to accidents and congestion (although I do see much congestion on these elephants, until we're forced on to them, that is).

3) (having driven on many toll roads) - Drivers don't like to have to get off, pay, then get on, then pay again when they get off later. With transponders, this concern largely goes away, but not everyone will use transponders (some of us DON'T like to be tracked).

4) Unless the rates are carefully set, it will cost more to get off, and then re-enter, as opposed to staying on.

5) The big reason: Captive audience. I have no doubt that Cintra plans to make much of its money in Service Areas (as they are called on toll roads). More exits means more competition (gas stations, etc.) and less profits.
17 posted on 01/04/2005 4:35:08 PM PST by BobL
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To: narby
"...And if you discurage travel, then the opportunity for impulse buying declines."


I prefer to be a bit more blunt in explaining why toll roads have been an abject failure in this country when it comes to encouraging development...

Restated: "When you punish people for going to the store, going home, or going to work, people tend to resent it."
18 posted on 01/04/2005 4:37:28 PM PST by BobL
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the intolerance! "DAVID STALL FOR GOVERNOR "!!!!!(Tx)


19 posted on 01/04/2005 7:09:05 PM PST by MarshallDillon (<<<<<< Click here to RECALL MAYOR WILL WYNN)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Interview (Audio) NPR | February 8, 2005 A Superhighway for Texas?
20 posted on 02/09/2005 7:47:38 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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