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Big Shrimp: A Protectionist Mess
The Cato Institute ^ | 3. January 2005 | Radley Balko

Posted on 01/03/2005 6:39:41 AM PST by 1rudeboy

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To: 1rudeboy
... fried tariffs, peel and eat tariffs, tariff scampi ...

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21 posted on 01/03/2005 7:58:44 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: livius
Agree with you and also post 3 above. Markets are wonderful things and domestic shrimpers may have to market their product better. Also post 3 may be right that less shrimping pressure could increase the production of certain game fish to more sustainable commercial levels. And yes I know we are talking about the livelihoods/way of life of many Gulf families.
22 posted on 01/03/2005 8:06:17 AM PST by nomorelurker (wetraginhell)
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To: livius

They do try but from what I've heard from local shrimpers is that it requires that local restaurants who are their main constumers must advertize whether they are using Gulf shrimp. I always ask but tourists don't know to ask.


23 posted on 01/03/2005 8:19:23 AM PST by PFC
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To: livius

The milk industry finally got off their government-protected duffs and started marketing milk with kid-attracting cartoon characters, portable single-serving containers, bright colors, etc. You're right, there's no reason the shrimp industry can't do the same thing.

There's a market out there of people willing to pay top dollar for extremely high quality goods.


24 posted on 01/03/2005 8:24:00 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: PFC

Maybe the shrimpers could get together and hire someone to design an official "We Serve Gulf Shrimp" logo, with a wild-looking cartoon shrimp at the center, and encourage restaurants to display it in their windows and newspaper ads as a marketing point.

Then they could do an ad campaign to promote the "look for the Gulf Shrimp seal" message, explaining why they're better than farm-raised Chinese shrimp.


25 posted on 01/03/2005 8:29:18 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: blanknoone
Our soybean farmers aren't wandering around meadows looking for wild soybean plants for a reason

They wouldn't be "soybean farmers" if they were. They'd be soybean hunters. ba da bing.

A good point, all the same.

26 posted on 01/03/2005 8:49:24 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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To: mvpel
with a wild-looking cartoon shrimp at the center

yeah, that's the ticket. And play up the "free range" angle.

27 posted on 01/03/2005 8:50:15 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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To: PFC

Good point. Florida has a program encouraging restaurants to announce that they are using Florida products (locally caught shrimp, for example), but the restaurants haven't really followed through. I guess they feel it doesn't matter to people. Maybe the states in question, as well as the industries, could put a little money towards consumer education, trying to create a sort of "buzz" for our local products. And not just locally, but throughout the US.


28 posted on 01/03/2005 8:58:29 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
Florida has a program encouraging restaurants to announce that they are using Florida products (locally caught shrimp, for example)

That's a laugh, since Florida has pretty much put commercial fishermen out of business with their "environmental" rules.

29 posted on 01/03/2005 9:04:47 AM PST by snopercod ("When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk." - The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)
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To: PFC
The best tasting shrimp comes from the Gulf of Mexico. You can keep your made in China shrimp.

You got that right! It's all that Mississipi mud. I lived in Hawaii and they had prawns there, they were huge but flavorless.

I live 20 minutes from the Gulf and up until a few years ago the price was ridiculus. Also a lot of it is a cash only business, so don't believe all of the woe is me hysteria going on.

30 posted on 01/03/2005 9:11:52 AM PST by CajunConservative
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To: CajunConservative
I lived in Hawaii and they had prawns there, they were huge but flavorless.

Yeah, I had "prawns" in Seattle. No thank you. You don't know what living is until you have a shrimp po-boy with real gulf shrimp on real French bread.

31 posted on 01/03/2005 10:09:10 AM PST by PFC
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To: livius

"Strangely enough, nobody ever argues from the point of view of quality. US Gulf shrimp and Atlantic shrimp (such as Mayport shrimp from North Florida) are much tastier than the farm raised Chinese stuff, and I think a market for quality could be built. Let the Chinese stuff go into frozen foods, fast food "shrimp," etc. Sell the good stuff for eating here by people who know what shrimp should taste like.

But that would require marketing and a little creativity, which no industry likes to engage in, especially if they can get the federal government to go out and do things for them instead."

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Now that you mention it, I recall from an earlier article posted here on the same subject, a number of Gulf shrimpers are marketing their product as better tasting than the farm-raised stuff.


32 posted on 01/03/2005 12:41:37 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Recon Dad

"As usual it all depends on who's ox is being gored. Free trade is free trade, in this case sink or swim. As I recall the shrimpers in Louisiana used to bitch about the Reverend Moon's shrimping company being unfair competition.

If you protect an industry from foreign competition the industry has no incentive to improve and try and become more competitive. The US government has been in the subsidy business forever when it comes to farm products and the rest of the world yells foul. On a level playing field we will usually find a better way to win the trade war."

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When you boil it down to it's essence, the heart of the matter with those moronic steel tariffs was that far more jobs (unionized and otherwise) in manufacturing were threatened by the higher steel prices than were "protected" in the steel-producing industries. From what I managed to glean the steel industry has about forty years worth of lobbying experience, "K" street connections, "wrap-onself-in-the-flag" propaganda (and assorted heart-plucking pop songs and movies) that they exploit to their particular advantage.

Furthermore, Dubya's catchword during '02 when this was being shoved through was that steel was of "strategic importance" and domestic supplies had to be guaranteed. This led to several weeks worth of hilarious antics and capitol hill scurrying regarding just which widgets and doohickeys were also of "strategic importance" and had to be "protected." Just keep in mind all this patriotic protectionism comes out of OUR pockets.

I would sure hate the prospect of a bruising trade war over Gulf Coast shrimp. If history is any guide I get the distinct impression that there are only losers in these things


33 posted on 01/03/2005 12:55:40 PM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju
a number of Gulf shrimpers are marketing their product as better tasting than the farm-raised stuff.

And this is as it should be.I love shrimp, even farm shrimp from Asia.I prefer Gulf and Atlantic shrimp but if foriegn farm shrimp is cut off I will not be able to indulge my craving for shrimp more than a time or two a year- I could not afford it. As it is I eat shrimp all the time and sometimes it is Florida shrimp and I can tell when it is. If the American shrimpers would start marketing their product as the elite food it is then I will be mostly priced out of that market but I will still be abe to eat shrimp whenever I like, perhaps at even lower price.

34 posted on 01/03/2005 2:48:58 PM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: nomorelurker
livelihoods/way of life of many Gulf families.

That way of life is changing willy nilly regardless of the importing of foreign shrimp. The prime fishing andd shrimping grounds in the Gulf are down close to Mexico within the "commercial sea limit" subscribed to some years ago by the US government. That recognition cut off most of the commercial fishery in the Gulf to American boats. When those big seagoing shrimpers and snapper boats all started fishing inshore from Florida to Texas the stocks were depleted pretty quickly and for a while one could be treated to the ludicrous sight of 60-80 foot shrimpers dropping thir booms inside the bays where pereviously only little boats worked. There quickly followed lots of Regulation and Limitation on catch and net size and shape and the industry declines from year to year and no amount of protection will arrest that decline.

Farming and imports ARE the future for shrimp if its consumption is not to be limited to the affluent. If the Gulf industry properly markets its product as premium and sells it as such then the existence of "inferior" imports will increase the customer base for the good stuff.

35 posted on 01/03/2005 3:03:47 PM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: blanknoone
Farmer beats hunter-gatherer hands down, every time.

And wild game is still preferred by enough people that it commands a premium price either on the menu or in the cost of the supplies and licences required to obtain it. "Wild" shrimp can be marketed to those with discriminating taste and larger budgets.

36 posted on 01/03/2005 3:09:47 PM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: the invisib1e hand
They'd be soybean hunters

More properly, soybean gatherers

37 posted on 01/03/2005 3:11:38 PM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero

True and irrelevant. Hunter/Gathering cannot compete efficiently. It can remain a niche/exclusive market...which in essence means that it is not competing.


38 posted on 01/03/2005 3:19:05 PM PST by blanknoone (The two big battles left in the War on Terror are against our State dept and our media.)
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To: blanknoone

That is what "wild" shrimping should become and eventually will become.


39 posted on 01/03/2005 3:27:24 PM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero

Not if the 'wild' shrimpers successfully keep their protections in place to force unfair burdens on the aquaculturists in order to remain 'competitive' when they are not.


40 posted on 01/03/2005 3:37:36 PM PST by blanknoone (The two big battles left in the War on Terror are against our State dept and our media.)
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