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Goodbye, All That: How Left Idiocies Drove Me to Flee
New York Observer ^ | January 2, 2005 | Ron Rosenbaum

Posted on 01/02/2005 2:33:24 PM PST by OOPisforLiberals

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What I find intriguing is the so called intellectuals of the left always gloss over the hundreds of millions of dead people left in the wake of Marxism and still try to claim a higher moral ground over those of us who realize what a disaster Marxism is in practice.
61 posted on 01/02/2005 10:15:51 PM PST by John Lenin
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"Left means never having to say you're sorry?" I beg to differ, they are sorry alright.


62 posted on 01/02/2005 10:19:38 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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"But when conservative Americans supported or tolerated racism, as something that just wasn't important, they were in blatant violation of the very principles they claimed to be "conserving." I don't know many conservative Americans today who are willing to admit this."

The South had been Democratic since Reconstruction. It was Democratic during Jim Crow; it was Democratic during the 60s. Painting racists in the South as "conservative" is a bit of a stretch, to say the least.

They may have been "conservative" in the sense of sharing certain values with modern conservatives, but that's a bit like saying that Iranian mullahs are just like American conservatives in that they oppose gay marriage.

63 posted on 01/03/2005 7:06:28 AM PST by Reactionary
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Painting racists in the South as "conservative" is a bit of a stretch, to say the least.

Not really. I don't recall any attempt to "read them out" of the conservative movement for violating its principles, as WF Buckley did for the John Birch society. The AFL-CIO similarly "read out" Communist-dominated unions.

Movement conservatives were generally perfectly happy to work alongside southern racists in pursuit of common goals.

64 posted on 01/03/2005 7:14:44 AM PST by Restorer
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65 posted on 01/03/2005 7:18:55 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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Well, he's made a start, but it's only a start. He's still a hypocritical @$$hole because he's a secular humanist who can't see that without G-d all his hang-ups about social injustice and racism and sexism are subjective social constructs with no existence in objective reality. Why is it that atheists can see that the absence of G-d abolishes sexual taboos but not "social justice" ones?

These people who profess to believe that everything is random and that Pat Robertson has no right to force his "hang ups" on others but can't see their own hypocrisy must be the stupidest people on earth. Intellectuals indeed!

66 posted on 01/03/2005 7:26:29 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' `aleykha hamela'kha ligmor, 'aval lo' 'attah ben chorin lehibatel mimennah.)
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"But when conservative Americans supported or tolerated racism, as something that just wasn't important, they were in blatant violation of the very principles they claimed to be "conserving." I don't know many conservative Americans today who are willing to admit this."

I pretty much agree with you on the above, especially your remark that racist conservatives are in violation of their principles. In fact they are actually behaving like leftists by identifying people as members of a group rather than as individuals.

But I do think that most "conservatives" have left racism behind, which is a form of "coming to terms" with it.

67 posted on 01/03/2005 7:53:00 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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" He is a libertarian leftist.."

I have an artist friend who thinks the same way. It's a gross contradiction, IMO, since true leftist thinking comes close to requiring the kind of lockstep thinking that the writer deplores.

My opinion is that many who call themselves "liberals" embrace the contradiction at least in part because the word "liberal," with its allusion to liberty, seduces them.

68 posted on 01/03/2005 7:59:29 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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But I do think that most "conservatives" have left racism behind, which is a form of "coming to terms" with it.

I absolutely agree with your first part. But they get no credit for this, and are generally viewed by their opponents as wanting to reinstate Jim Crow, but just realizing that it isn't possible.

Which is why I disagree with your second part. "Coming to terms" would involve publicly recognizing that they were wrong in the past.

Although I really hate to lend support to any further orgy of apologizing.

69 posted on 01/03/2005 8:10:49 AM PST by Restorer
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"Movement conservatives were generally perfectly happy to work alongside southern racists in pursuit of common goals."

No, they weren't. The South was dominated by the Democrat Party until the early 1980s. The so-called "conservatives" you malign were Democrats. They may not have been as socially liberal as today's Democrats, but they were still Democrats. And "conservatives" had no goals in the South that hinged on appeasing Southern racists at all.

To equate "conservative" Democrats of the 1960s with the conservative Republicans of today is a nice rhetorical trick. Unfortunately, it doesn't wash. Why? Because the ideals of republican conservatism are not identical with conservative ideals simply stated.

70 posted on 01/03/2005 9:00:59 AM PST by Reactionary
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[i]mark[/i] Very good, thank you for posting. The most bigotted people I know are liberal friends who speak out vociferously against the War. Spittle and everything - it's nasty.


71 posted on 01/04/2005 7:36:28 AM PST by Titan Magroyne (Cha! I am so not an aggressive driver! Call me pro-active.)
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