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To: tx_eggman
If yes again, do these incidents, as described in scripture, qualify as supernatural events, God acting in ways that appear to circumvent natural law as we understand it?

Science can study claims of miracles to the extent that evidence is available. The cases you mention have left no evidence other than the report.

Quacks and charlatans are common in our world, and science does investigate some claims of supernatural and paranormal phenomena. There is a rather large standing prize available for anyone who can demonstrate a paranormal event under scrutiny.

Whether one believes Bible stories is mostly irrelevant to science, except where there is sufficient evidence. there is sufficient evidence to determine the age of the earth, the age of the geologic strata, the age of fossils, the relationship of species as seen in their DNA.

666 posted on 01/05/2005 9:42:05 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: js1138
Post number 666 ... what a perfect place for the answer:

Whether one believes Bible stories is mostly irrelevant to science, except where there is sufficient evidence. there is sufficient evidence to determine the age of the earth, the age of the geologic strata, the age of fossils, the relationship of species as seen in their DNA.

It may be irrelevant to science but it has staggering implications for eternity.

I'm not a proponent of a 6 days 6 thousand years ago creation, I don't believe that the original text supports it. I'm a disciple of Jesus and friend of God through the blood sacrifice of Jesus - in a cognitive, dynamic, growing relationship with God.

As I have stated elsewhere on this forum, whatever God did, He did it ex niliho ... speaking something into existence from nothing. How he did it is beyond figuring out. How it continues at this time, based on observations of current phenomena as well as study of what has been deposited and recorded over time, is what science is about.

You are, however, assuming that these observations reveal behaviors that continue now as they always have. While this may in fact be what is happening, an unprovable assumption is the undergirding for how "scientific facts" are established.

This methodology works well for positing how things will behave in the future ... but again, only if you assume that things will continue as they always have.

My faith (assumption) informs me that they won't, God has other plans.

They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation. But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment” 2Peter 3:4-7

682 posted on 01/05/2005 1:06:11 PM PST by tx_eggman ("All I need to know about Islam I learned on 09/11/01" - Crawdad)
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To: js1138
Science can study claims of miracles to the extent that evidence is available. The cases you mention have left no evidence other than the report.

Hey, dude! That reminds me that I saw Elvis last week!

708 posted on 01/05/2005 3:08:11 PM PST by balrog666 (I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.)
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