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To: bondserv
"Yes I believe God created the universe in the last 10,000 years."

Well, OK. You are free to believe whatever you want, but none of the verses that you have proffered prove that.

Adherence to that line of thinking (don't forget baby dinosaurs on Noah's ark, I heard that one once too) will pretty much erect a wall between the scientific and engineering community that I operate in and the Gospel of Christ that they need so desperately.

I'm seeing a great harmony between the Scriptures and geologic discoveries. The theory of a young Earth just doesn't stand up to honest observation.

407 posted on 01/03/2005 9:36:57 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
... erect a wall between the scientific and engineering community....

That would seem to be the point. Creationists (and postmoderndeconstructionists and scientologists and various newagers, etc.) seem bent on overthrowing the idea that scientific inquiry is a legitmate method of gaining knowledge.

409 posted on 01/03/2005 9:48:41 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: nightdriver
Adherence to that line of thinking (don't forget baby dinosaurs on Noah's ark, I heard that one once too) will pretty much erect a wall between the scientific and engineering community that I operate in and the Gospel of Christ that they need so desperately.

I can only tell you and those I share with that I trust implicitly in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that His claim to being the "I AM" is the truth that allows me to know that He can be the only doorway to eternal life.

Just as no one can explain what happened with time, space and matter initially after the so-called Big Bang, I can not explain scientifically how God instantly stretched light across millions of light years of space.

Jesus Christ is revealed to us through the Holy Spirit inspired and preserved Word of God. If the Holy Spirit failed at preserving the Word of God for our generation, then we cannot help but be believing in a potential lie.

There are passages of scripture which are confusing; many of which we become enlightened of by spiritual maturity, and some that elude us even with rigorous study and prayer. However, so much of scripture is very straightforward, and is not couched in obscure poetic language, that a good grasp of what a relationship with the Creator is about, can be discovered by a child.

My fear is that the wedge of "Scientism" associated with the exclusive teaching of Materialistic Evolution can only be seen as a wedge to deter an investigation of scripture. By painting the foundational passages of the Old Testament (not only Genesis), as mythologic stories, plays into the hands of the enemy of Christ.

Well, OK. You are free to believe whatever you want, but none of the verses that you have proffered prove that.

Science does not have the answers to origins, nor does it have the answers to speciation. These critical topics are covered in detail within the passages of scripture. The Bible reveals that God created our universe, our planet, and specifically details the special creation of man and all of the other living things. I cannot see how anyone who has read the Bible would say it does not describe these events. The clincher is that it is consistently presented throughout the Old and New Testaments as it is revealed in the book of Genesis.

Does that make it harder to share with a skeptic? You bet it does, because they disregard the supernatural! The virgin birth and the resurrection are easier to swallow if a person can afford the potential of an Almighty Intelligent Designer.

412 posted on 01/04/2005 1:10:23 AM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: nightdriver

"I'm seeing a great harmony between the Scriptures and geologic discoveries. The theory of a young Earth just doesn't stand up to honest observation."

I see a great harmony between Gen 1, Einstein and modern biology. The young Earth idea is nonsense, not scientific theory. But your use of the word theory is a good illustration of the difference between a scientific theory and the colloquial use of the word.


424 posted on 01/04/2005 6:07:25 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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