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To: nightdriver
Are you saying, then, that you believe that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old?

In order for my witness to be consistent with Scripture, Yes! If I tried to do the convolutions required to explain away the clear context and meaning of the Book of Genesis, I would have to admit intellectual dishonesty and call Jesus Christ clearly deceptive.

Sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ rarely requires a discussion about when God created the universe, rather it involves describing who the God that created the universe is and what He did for us.

I have no trouble personally believing that God instantaneously stretched the universe out like a scroll -- including the light waves that extend millions of light years. The scripture says this explicitly.

Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

God also created man upon the earth, not a precursor to man. The language is far to explicit. God hurled the galaxies that are clocked at 200,000 miles per hour, not some theoretical reverse black hole. God caused a flood that makes the effacing Tsunami of South West Asia look like child's play. We cannot fathom the geologic implications of a world wide flood. But what we see could possibly be explained by one (see my freeper home page for illustrations).

In the process of creating the material for our universe, it is likely that the atomic "aging" was accelerated beyond the physical laws we are constrained to presently. When Jesus can enter and exit a room without using the door, as we believe He did, we realize that non-linear, supernatural events, have been witnessed by our fellow believer's. Phillips transportation to the desert to share with the Ethiopian Eunuch is another non-linearity that we acknowledge as a reality.

It is far more common sensical to believe God created the environment for life on this planet, and that He sent His Son to the only place in the universe that contained souls created in His image. Consider all of the fine tuned parameters that are critical to the sustenance of life. Also consider the ramifications of billions of years of catastrophes that easily would have crushed the environment that enables life. Planetary shifts, Comets, Meteors, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Atmospheric fluctuations...

Yes I believe God created the universe in the last 10,000 years.

405 posted on 01/03/2005 9:08:51 PM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: bondserv
"Yes I believe God created the universe in the last 10,000 years."

Well, OK. You are free to believe whatever you want, but none of the verses that you have proffered prove that.

Adherence to that line of thinking (don't forget baby dinosaurs on Noah's ark, I heard that one once too) will pretty much erect a wall between the scientific and engineering community that I operate in and the Gospel of Christ that they need so desperately.

I'm seeing a great harmony between the Scriptures and geologic discoveries. The theory of a young Earth just doesn't stand up to honest observation.

407 posted on 01/03/2005 9:36:57 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: bondserv
What then is you explanation for the supernova SN1987A? It's 160,000 light years away and direct trigonometric measurement show that the light took 160,000 years to arrive. A hypothetical change in the speed of light does not change these distances.
408 posted on 01/03/2005 9:45:47 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: bondserv

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The problem is I have seen no evidence whatsoever for any of your claims aside from the fact that it's written in the book of Genesis. Well, there are hindu books which will tell you the true facts of the matter, that the earth is carried on the backs of four elephants on top of a turtle swimming in a sea of milk surrounded by a great snake. It makes just about as much sense.


410 posted on 01/03/2005 9:58:25 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: bondserv

"Yes I believe God created the universe in the last 10,000 years."

Are you a scientist, too?


422 posted on 01/04/2005 6:03:58 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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