In the beginning . . . Adam walked with dinosaurs [Creationist Park]

Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 02 January 2005 | James Langton

[Thatcherite]

My slip, indeed, I can't remember the exact timing, but it would have to be even more recent.

[hineybona]

Man and dinosaur never co existed..Man is MUCH older than 6000 years. I cannot see wht science and religion have to be exclusive of eachother.

[kkindt]

Perhaps calling evolutionism science is our first problem.

Where has SCIENCE demonstrated by experiment that mutations produce good things for a creature or plant? All observed mutations reduce information and produce results for the organism that are detrimental.

Give an example of an observed mutation that has produced positive and additive results for an organism. I see none of this on any of the websites or in the literature. It is all assumed by Darwin and by those since he wrote his notions.

Hence evolution is not science but an ism and when it is attacked by others the evolutionist try to hide behind the cover of the S word SCIENCE. The worst kind of religion is one that claims its science. I am sick and tired of relgions of any stripe claiming they are science.

PROVE mutations cause positive things for organisms by producing a mutation that does so through natural, not man made tinkering. If you manipulate DNA to cause a positive mutation with your MIND working to do so that's not natural mutation but artificial.

[Doctor Stochastic]

This seems to be what passes for scientific discussion from Creationists.

[Thatcherite]

Perhaps calling evolutionism science is our first problem. Where has SCIENCE demonstrated by experiment that mutations produce good things for a creature or plant? All observed mutations reduce information and produce results for the organism that are detrimental. Give an example of an observed mutation that has produced positive and additive results for an organism. I see none of this on any of the websites or in the literature. It is all assumed by Darwin and by those since he wrote his notions. Hence evolution is not science but an ism and when it is attacked by others the evolutionist try to hide behind the cover of the S word SCIENCE. The worst kind of religion is one that claims its science. I am sick and tired of relgions of any stripe claiming they are science. PROVE mutations cause positive things for organisms by producing a mutation that does so through natural, not man made tinkering. If you manipulate DNA to cause a positive mutation with your MIND working to do so that's not natural mutation but artificial.

MRSA

[Dataman]

And I have a billion trillion dollars, just in my wallet, a mansion, a coachhouse, lots of racing horses. Oh yeah, and 18 PhDs from every school in America, and one in England

I don't dare call you a liar. How many wives do you have? You first. Otherwise you'll one-up me.

[PatrickHenry]

Give an example of an observed mutation that has produced positive and additive results for an organism. I see none of this on any of the websites or in the literature.

If I provide an example, will it make any difference to you? Be honest.

[MEGoody]

"Yes, it is change over much longer than 5000 years."

Possibly, although it could be claimed that the Cambrian explosion indicates that changes can (and in fact must) come much more quickly (at least at times) than Darwin had first posited and many still believe.

"That is why you guys don't believe it."

There are serious questions on the theory of evolution. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.

"You have not sufficiently studied the biology to make the connections over the millions of years it has been changing."

I will mention it again - the Cambrian explosion. The claim that life formed slowly over millions of years simply doesn't fit when considering this era.

[superskunk]

I cannot see wht science and religion have to be exclusive of eachother.

They're not. Science is just our attempt to understand the laws that govern God's creation. Sometimes our understanding just isn't up to the task. I have a B.S. in engineering, which doesn't make me a scientist per se, but it does at least give me a solid background in the sciences. I agree that science and religion are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they are complimentary. I think the main problem today is that scientists are given grants to promote agendas instead of advance knowledge. It's a flawed system that needs to be repaired.

[thompsonsjkc]

There is an interesting book called Mysteries of the Creation by Rabbi Dovid Brown.

http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?fp=121&sp=32

[PatrickHenry]

The Cambrian Explosion was about 50 million years long, and there is evidence of precursor fossils dating from earlier. In other words, there's nothing magic about the Cambrian, and it's entirely consistent with the theory of evolution.

[shubi]

I don't need the vowel points because I was trained to speak and read without them.

I think the Masorites did a fine job, but you have to keep an open mind to the real meaning and sometimes the vowel points hamper that.

It is impressive how faithful the copies were to the original text over the centuries. It makes me irritated with people who think the KJV is a better translation than the Hebrew. That same mindset is present in creationists.

[shubi]

It can be argued that the Cambrian "explosion" was quick, if you think millions of year is quick;-)

There are no serious questions about evolution. If there were, it would no longer be held by science as a theory. A theory is the underlying principles that tie data together. In this case there are mountains of data supporting the Theory.

Please list your serious "questions" for discussion:

(I have had a hard day and need a good laugh-thank you)

[safisoft]

shubi-doo, shubi-dooo, no one believes you, shubi-doo

Shubi, the self-proclaimed Hebrew expert, has given him/herself a screen name that tells much about his/her true Hebrew background. i.e. not a biblical Hebrew expert, as he/she claims. The word is transliterated shuvi unless you simply looked it up in a Strong's dictionary. If you read the Hebrew text, it clearly is pronounced "shuvi". Anyone who speaks modern Hebrew can tell you the same thing.

[safisoft]

Scripture please.

Why start asking for that now? You don't care what it says.

[shubi]

"Where has SCIENCE demonstrated by experiment that mutations produce good things for a creature or plant?"

Antibiotic immunity in bacteria. It has been done and is repeatedly done to test new antibiotics.

Your ideas that mutations have to positive for organisms are misplaced. Due to natural selection, only the positive ones are selected, but positive and negative are relative. This is what sickle cell anemia illustrates. Its positive in malarial areas, but negative in populations not exposed to malaria.

So, having shot down every one of your arguments, I would assume you will change your conclusions.




Didn't think so.;-)

[shubi]

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[shubi]

"Perhaps you could address the questions posed to you, now... Or do you plan to ignore them because you cannot answer them?"

There was only one question I could find, which was addressed. Apparently, you either did not want to hear or did not understand the answer.

[shubi]

Creationists are anti-science. I am not.

I believe in God as Creator, but am not so arrogant as to tell him how to do it.

[shubi]

My screen name is based on Frank Sinatra, not Hebrew. But an interesting analysis nonetheless. ;-)