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Tsunami Relief: The Real Story
Powerline ^ | 1/1/05 | Powerline/Hindrocket

Posted on 01/01/2005 9:05:12 AM PST by chiller

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To: Publius6961
You and your "best friend" can cool it now. If you are hungry for recognition and still need to continue badmouthing the U.S. do it to French forums. They will be welcome there.

Yawn....

41 posted on 01/01/2005 10:05:35 AM PST by killjoy (My kid is the bomb at Islam Elementary!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
IMHO, the U.N. has used up way more than their fair share of intertia. I'll bet they're denied expansion funds by our Congress...which is just another nail in their coffin.

Expelling the U.N. or its demise is on my list of things I never thought I'd see in my lifetime, but I think it will happen.

Strangely, the '00 electoral/popular votes were on my list along with a biblical proportioned tsunami event like this.

42 posted on 01/01/2005 10:06:35 AM PST by chiller (1 down (Jf'nK) and 1 to go (old media))
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To: killjoy

Parading Michael Jordan around would like like a cheap publicity trick.


43 posted on 01/01/2005 10:11:34 AM PST by chiller (1 down (Jf'nK) and 1 to go (old media))
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To: kitkat
The president raised the initial pledge to $350 million yesterday. He took the iniative because they were sitting on their thumbs at the UN, got hold of a bunch of world leaders and organized the core group. That was when we were stingy and "only" promised an initial $35 million (for immediate needs ONLY, but the propaganda machine ignores that) This miffed Kofi and Co., so the president later gave the UN permission t be PART of the core group.

That's another lie the UN and media are perpetrating : the core group does not exist to compliment the non-existant UN relief effort, as has been implied. The UN relief effort, when they get it off the ground, will simply be one of many parts of the core group.

44 posted on 01/01/2005 10:11:54 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: chiller
Parading Michael Jordan around would like like a cheap publicity trick.

Yes, exactly. :)

45 posted on 01/01/2005 10:12:43 AM PST by killjoy (My kid is the bomb at Islam Elementary!)
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To: Strategerist

I have looked and noticed that a list of giving nations are not listed on BBC website etc. Which to me is odd considering the big deal made of it. Secondly would'nt be interesting to see how much islamic nations give to blowing up people (in Israel) as compared to them giving money to actually helping people. I guess this blows the arab theory that the christian west is doing little to help muslim suffering. Just a contrast I thought would be interesting to make, and sofar I only see listed Saudi Arabia Qatar Kuwait & Iran totaling 45 million.


46 posted on 01/01/2005 10:13:23 AM PST by DodgeRam
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To: JustAnotherSavage
"I heard a list last night, but I didn't hear any mention of Arab countries or Mexico"

Arab countries like Saudi are donating...the UAE is...I haven't heard anything about pledges from Mexico either. South America yes, but not Mexico. Anyone know whether Mexico has pledged any aid?

47 posted on 01/01/2005 10:15:25 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: killjoy

I thought you advocated some celebrity in our relief efforts, or do You just convince easily?


48 posted on 01/01/2005 10:15:45 AM PST by chiller (1 down (Jf'nK) and 1 to go (old media))
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To: Strategerist
If you feel some sort of donation-comparison pissing match is of vast importance, you can make a list yourself with a google news search. Cursorily glancing, a lot of Persian Gulf states are giving quite a lot.

Talk is cheap, and we have way too many assertions totally undocumented, including yours.

The U.S. did not start this "donation comparison pissing match" as you so eloquently put it, and we can either ignore the U.S. bashers or respond. I choose to respond.

The Persian Gulf states are long on talk and short on action. Always. I say we put their feet to the fire. Same with the Euroeunuchs.

49 posted on 01/01/2005 10:16:31 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Publius6961
Can anyone name a SINGLE instance where the U.N. delivered any kind of relief efficiently and corruption-free? Since its creation? Just one?

The Korean War. Under the UN aspices (the heavy lifting done by the US and our friends like usual), the South Koreas were relieved of the threat of being completely overrun and sent to North Korean re-education camps. 8^)

50 posted on 01/01/2005 10:16:34 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: chiller

Here is the list of charities USAID works with:

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/asia_near_east/tsunami/ngolist.html

Here is the home page of USAID

http://www.usaid.gov


53 posted on 01/01/2005 10:25:09 AM PST by Snapple
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To: G.Mason
Methinks you have omitted a few thousand other persons that would be involved in any such decision

Like who? If the President refuses to recognize the UN, the legislative branch can't compell him to! And when the most powerful man in the world tells you to FOAD, you eventually do!

54 posted on 01/01/2005 10:27:03 AM PST by Bommer
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To: chiller
I thought you advocated some celebrity in our relief efforts, or do You just convince easily?

It is amazing traveling in very rural South-East Asia how many people will know nothing about foreign politics but can instantly recognize the face of a famous actor or sports star. This could easily be used as a form of branding for foreign aid. It would also force the local media in these countries to take notice since there is no way they would pass up the photo op. Very cheap and effective.

I hate the "they hate us and there is nothing we can do about it" defeatest attitutude shown by many on FR. There is a lot we could do, but without the effort, it will not happen. Many on FR forget it was the media who lost the Vietnam War, not the soldiers on the ground.

55 posted on 01/01/2005 10:27:59 AM PST by killjoy (My kid is the bomb at Islam Elementary!)
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To: OldFriend
The locals are refusing to drive the relief trucks unless they are paid extortionate wages.

This has always been true of UN "relief" efforts. Why should they care? They are usually spending American money. The bottomless money pit.

Any locals who decide to extort from their countrymen should be "persuaded" by the local authorities to donate their vehicles to the effort; unless, of course, the local authorities are in on the extortion. In which case we have two choices: stop the relief effort until they sort things out. Or yield to the extortion for fear of being called bullies. Not much of a choice.

I would support the third option, but now is not the time. Let's see how deeply we yield to the extortion by the very people we are trying to help, first.

56 posted on 01/01/2005 10:28:29 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: chiller

"When does the rest of American wake up and demand the U.N. shut down?"

You've got my vote for that happening ASAP!


57 posted on 01/01/2005 10:29:26 AM PST by ArmedNReady (Islam, the cancer on humanity.)
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To: chiller

"It was USAID working with their amazing network of local contacts who scrounged up trucks, drivers, and fuel; organized the convoy and sent it off to deliver critical supplies."

Outsourcing seems to be a good thing here.

http://www.usaid.gov


58 posted on 01/01/2005 10:29:31 AM PST by Snapple
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To: cake_crumb

I have found nothing that Mexico has contributed, and it's not because they can't afford it.

FYI
Mexico has more "Forbes" billionaires, 11, than all but eight other nations. It has more billionaires than Saudi Arabia, Switzerland or Taiwan. It also has more than 85,000 millionaires.

Aired 12/16/04 On CNN

DOBBS: But, in point of fact, Mexico is one of the richest countries in Latin America, amongst -- the millionaires, billionaires and its wealth concentrated in the hands of very few.
www.cnn.com/lou


59 posted on 01/01/2005 10:31:46 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("As frightening as terrorism is, it's the weapon of losers." P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: eleni121; Bommer
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

Some people knee jerk about things they don't know. From the very first day of his very first term, President Bush has been waging diplomatic war with the UN. Even on their own turf. What he wants is to use the familiarity of the UN to help get things done, while attempting to force the UN back to it's original charter. There's a good possibility the UN won't survive this overdue shake up.

As for State, of COURSE they want the UN. State exists mostly as a diplomatic bridge between us lovers of government by, of and for the people and the socialists of EUrAsia. Naturally, most Staties are lefties.

60 posted on 01/01/2005 10:33:52 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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