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Religion in the Classroom {Southern Baptist Discontent with Public Schools}
Lubbock, TX, Avalanche-Journal ^ | 01-01-05 | Mansfield, Duncan, AP

Posted on 01/01/2005 7:47:36 AM PST by Theodore R.

Religion in the Classroom By DUNCAN MANSFIELD Associated Press

SEVIERVILLE, Tenn. — Frustration with public education seems to be growing among the nation's Southern Baptists, with supporters of Christian schools and home schooling arguing that if God is absent from the classroom then their children should leave, too.

"What has happened is not so much that the Christians are leaving the public schools as that the public schools have left the Christians," advocate Ed Gamble said.

Gamble is executive director of the Southern Baptist Association of Christian Schools, an Orlando, Fla.-based group that supports the more than 600 Southern Baptist schools created in the past eight years.

"As the public schools have become increasingly secular and increasingly intolerant of things Christian, people who are openly Christian have said, 'I guess they are not part of our team anymore,' " Gamble said.

The number of conservative Christian schools grew by nearly 11 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002, to 5,527, according to the U.S. Department of Education's latest statistics.

At that rate, Christian schools are growing faster than private schools as a whole, and they have increased their share to nearly 1 in 5 private schools in the country.

Last year, a resolution proposed at the national meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention — which guides the nation's largest Protestant denomination — urged parents to withdraw their children from "officially Godless" "government schools" in favor of religious education.

While the measure was rejected, interest in faith-based schools has continued to spread among Baptists at the state level, particularly in Tennessee, Missouri, Florida, South Carolina, Illinois, Texas, Virginia, North Carolina, California and New England, according to Exodus Mandate, a Columbia, S.C., group that promotes private, Christian and home-school education.

A recent resolution promoting Christian schooling easily passed the Missouri Baptist Convention but was quashed in committee at the Tennessee Baptist Convention meeting in Sevierville last month.

The Missouri resolution talked about the "inherent dangers of secular educational philosophies that now permeates America's public education system" and affirmed "the importance of systematically training ourselves and our children in the ways of authentic, biblical Christianity."

"What we are saying is that God has given us some very specific commands that we are to train our children in the ways of the Lord, not in the ways of the world," said the Rev. Roger Moran, of Troy, Mo., the resolution's author and a member of the Southern Baptist Convention's executive committee.

That means teaching creationism over evolution, that life begins at conception, and that homosexuality is immoral, as is sex outside of marriage.

But it is more.

Glen Schultz heads the Baptists' LifeWay curriculum program for church-based schools and home schoolers.

"It hits everything, when you realize the reality of life is (that) life was created by God and the entire universe is his creation," Schultz said. "Therefore, everything has meaning and reflection on his nature, whether it is math or history or science. Two plus two equals four because God created them that way."

The Tennessee resolution came one step short of asking Baptist parents to pull their children from public schools.

"I wanted to be positive in promoting Christian education," said the Rev. Larry Reagan of Dresden, who wrote the measure. "I didn't want the resolution to be portrayed as attacking public education."

But the Rev. Mike Boyd of Knoxville, outgoing president of the 1 million-member Tennessee Baptist Convention, worried about the divisiveness of the issue. And the Rev. Grover Westover of Whiteville, chairman of the resolutions committee, said, "It was not wise, is all I am saying."

He said Reagan's resolution would have promoted more "Kingdom education" schools following LifeWay's lead.

Schultz said the program has reached some 150 churches since 1996.

"We encourage our members to pray for this ministry, and we encourage the promotion of an adequate system of Christian schools," Reagan said.

Boyd agreed there were "some serious issues in the public schools" to resolve but said the focus should be on supporting the teachers working in them, including many Baptists, and parents.

"Historically, Baptists have been pretty staunch supporters of the public school system, and they still are," said Gamble, who was not surprised to see the convention resolutions fail.

"But this is a bottom-up movement, as it is a bottom-up denomination. This is not a movement that is being led so much by pastors as it is being led by moms and dads who are frustrated.

"And some day, I don't know how long it will be, most of the kids will be educated in Southern Baptist schools or in their homes."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: baptists; christianschools; churchandstate; education; fasttrack; glenschultz; groverwestover; larryreagan; mikeboyd; publicschools; religion; sbc
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1 posted on 01/01/2005 7:47:36 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.

Good. Let them leave. Give up the public schools to their sin. The only problem is that we have to deal with the products of public schools afterwards if we do this.


2 posted on 01/01/2005 7:51:16 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Theodore R.

My three kids have never set foot in a Government school, and they never will.


3 posted on 01/01/2005 7:55:49 AM PST by keithtoo (Defeat Le' Partie' Democratique)
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To: cyborg
Give up the public schools to their sin.

Think of it as the reciprocity test. If your kid had a Muslim teacher, would you wanting the teacher leading prayers to Allah before each class? If your kid had a Hindu teacher, would you want Hindu god-statues scattered across the classroom? Why then are people so upset when Christian teachers are forbidden from doing similar things?
4 posted on 01/01/2005 7:56:59 AM PST by ddantas
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To: Theodore R.

It's a wake-up call that public schools should heed if they want to stay in business.


5 posted on 01/01/2005 7:57:00 AM PST by ladylib ("Marc Tucker Letter to Hillary Clinton" says it all.)
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To: Theodore R.

At least children would be getting a better education being homeschooled than the one (or lack thereof) they are getting in government schools.


6 posted on 01/01/2005 7:57:13 AM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Theodore R.
"I didn't want the resolution to be portrayed as attacking public education."

I don't know why not.

7 posted on 01/01/2005 8:02:28 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Theodore R.

At this rate, poor and middle class Atheists/
Muslims/Buddhists/et al. will receive training
in Public Schools (supported by our taxes)while
all Christian Kiddoes will be posited in costly
parochial schools.

Seems to me the only ones benefitting will be
the wealthy parents who already send their kids
to posh private schools!

The cheaper and more logical stance would be
to make that segment of Science classes dealing
with Creationism a mandatory option for the
fundamental Christian family. As a retired
teacher on both the elementary and secondary
level, I don't recall The Big Bang Theory
ever taking up more than a week of the curriculum.

By the time a child enters College, he should have
sufficient mental acuity to decide for himself
which Beginning he accedes to.


8 posted on 01/01/2005 8:03:07 AM PST by Grendel9
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To: ladylib

They will "stay in business" because they are funded and we taxpayers have to foot the bill for all those illegal's kids.


9 posted on 01/01/2005 8:10:17 AM PST by stopem
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
I respectfully disagree. Homeschooling is not an option for everyone.

If the Churches want to create alternative schools, that is wonderful. My hope is that the Baptists that want out of PS's will provide choices like private schooling or homeschooling.
10 posted on 01/01/2005 8:10:40 AM PST by borntobeagle
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To: Theodore R.

It's time to acknowledge that hundreds of families cannot be shoved into a building and expected to agree on how to educate their children. The ONLY ones who can't figure this out are the teachers unions and those paid by them.


11 posted on 01/01/2005 8:13:46 AM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: cyborg
The only problem is that we have to deal with the products of public schools afterwards if we do this.

It's not like you are saving them by staying. Why go down with the ship? Worse, why let your children go down with the ship? My son knows "free" schools will not be an option for his children. They just do not care about his values.

12 posted on 01/01/2005 8:16:09 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: keithtoo

They will probably have to set foot in public school to take a standardized test eventually. I just meant he college tests, ACT & SAT.


13 posted on 01/01/2005 8:17:05 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: stopem
They will "stay in business" because they are funded and we taxpayers have to foot the bill for all those illegal's kids.

Exactly. And we must fund the corrupting of the minds of those children unlucky enough to be born to liberals (the ones they didn't kill before birth).

14 posted on 01/01/2005 8:18:37 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: stopem

Some will stay in business (for the illegals and for those who either don't want or can't afford private schools) and others will close down completely.


15 posted on 01/01/2005 8:18:57 AM PST by ladylib ("Marc Tucker Letter to Hillary Clinton" says it all.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
They will probably have to set foot in public school to take a standardized test eventually. I just meant he college tests, ACT & SAT.

Not necessarily, I was homeschooled and took the SAT at a private Christian school.
16 posted on 01/01/2005 8:20:42 AM PST by ddantas
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Right, good point....so what do we taxpayers do about this?


17 posted on 01/01/2005 8:25:18 AM PST by stopem
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To: Grendel9
The cheaper and more logical stance would be to make that segment of Science classes dealing with Creationism a mandatory option for the fundamental Christian family.

If that is the case, do not forget to add a mandatory segment of the science class for each of the following; Hinduism, Hopi, Norse, Greek, Roman, Baal, Sumerian, Babylonian, Mithraism, any of the Polynesian origin mythos, Egyptian, Eskimo, Mayan, and any others I didn't think of off the top of my head.

Hmmm… I wonder if they will have time to teach what a molecule is?

18 posted on 01/01/2005 8:25:27 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Grendel9
As a Christian parent, science class is the least of my worries, though I don't like that at all. It's everything else that really bugs me. Kids around here make comments like "most of the kids at my school are bisexual." One girl talks about the "XYZ" kid who puts an X on the calendar for the days he likes girls, a Y for the days he likes boys, and a Z for the days he likes both.

Some kids had to go to the theater and watch The Hours as a class assignment. I could go on and on. And it could get FAR more personal -- about members of my own family (so I will refrain).

19 posted on 01/01/2005 8:26:48 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: ddantas
Not necessarily, I was homeschooled and took the SAT at a private Christian school.

True. But on on one test, at least for that specific testing day, my son had to take it at the public high school.

20 posted on 01/01/2005 8:27:48 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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