[Southack]

"The plan is not as he presented it. It doesn't make sense that guest workers would have to leave to renew when illegals don't have to leave to apply, and a clear reading of the language from the White House site doesn't support the contention."

You are incorrect. Furthermore, if the only way that you can argue is by making such outrageous mischaracterizations, then you must not be in the right.

If you can't make your point by telling the truth, then you aren't making an argument so much as a propaganda piece.

[Torie]

I think Fatalis and I are looking to see some actual language, ie words, in the president's proposal or statements, that lead one to the reasonable conclusion, that one must depart to renew. Frankly if the right to renew is automatic, it would be ludicrous to require that they take a holiday back in their coutry of origin, in order to get the paper work processed.

[FBD]

I'm not sure of the total increase percentage but immigration, both legal and illegal has unfortunately increased;

Mass immigration soaring since 2000 “The current rate of immigration has jumped significantly over the historically high 1990s level, according to according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates. Immigrants are estimated to be pouring into the country at a rate that increases the population by about 1.4 million each year."