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Machine guns found near Kansas creek
Topeka Capital-Journal ^ | 31 dec 2004 | AP

Posted on 12/31/2004 3:00:06 AM PST by csvset

Machine guns found near Kansas creek

The Associated Press

MILFORD -- A fisherman found a heavy machine gun on the ice of a creek near Fort Riley, and Geary County sheriff's deputies later found two more.

The three Browning .50-caliber guns were all in working condition, Sheriff's Lt. Sandy Popovich said, but none was loaded.

Sheriff Jim Jensen said he didn't know how the guns got there, and the Army's Criminal Investigation Division is looking into the matter.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers owns the land, Jensen said, and soldiers from Fort Riley have used it for training. The guns were found in an area accessible to the public.

The guns were turned over to the Army.

Popovich said the fisherman found the first machine gun at about 9 a.m. Wednesday at Madison Creek, about two miles north of Milford.

He gave it to the Geary County Sheriff's Department, which searched the area and found a second gun under the ice and the third in the grass on the creek's bank.

Jeff Coverdale, a Fort Riley spokesman, said no missing weapons had been reported to his office.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: 50cal; bang; banglist; bmg; fortriley; kansas
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To: Cobra64
Builder: Saco Defense Length: 61.42 inches (156 centimeters)
Weight: Gun: 84 pounds (38 kilograms)
M3 Tripod (Complete): 44 pounds (19.98 kilograms)
Total: 128 pounds (58 kilograms)
Bore diameter: .50 inches (12.7mm)
Maximum effective range: 2000 meters with tripod mount
Maximum range: 4.22 miles (6.8 kilometers)
Maximum effective range: is 1,830 meters
Cyclic rate of fire: 550 rounds per minute
Unit Replacement Cost: $14,002

It is definitely a machine gun...


21 posted on 12/31/2004 3:52:09 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: csvset

My attitude is "FINDERS KEEPERS"!
Ok, so I won't be able to play with them an can only visit them when the wife is gone and after dark and no one is around!

I can't afford to feed them and there are too many people in the area who might get suspicious of the rata-tat tat! So all I can do is look!


22 posted on 12/31/2004 4:24:37 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Pity the poor athiest. He has no one to put the blame on.)
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To: csvset
I once found eight perfectly serviceable Browning .50 caliber machineguns still loaded with 1942 lot ammunition. I was an active duty second Lieutenant back then, so I had to report the find and turn the weapons in.

Hint: they were in the wings of a wrecked plane that had crash-landed under some trees on Kahoolawe Island and that plane was still sitting there, undiscovered until I found it in 1975.

For the Freeper airplane buffs: what kind of plane was it? Bonus points if you can tell me what year it crashed - it had the star and white bar national insignia on it.

23 posted on 12/31/2004 4:51:56 AM PST by USMCVet
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To: csvset

How come I never found any machine gun when I went fishing?


24 posted on 12/31/2004 4:55:43 AM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: USMCVet
Had to be B-17, but other US Army Air Force bombers were used for skip bombing.

Of course, it may be the Liberator or Maurader [spelling?] -- B-24 & B-26 -- but I don't remember them having as many .50 Cal guns.

25 posted on 12/31/2004 5:01:00 AM PST by topher (God bless & Protect our Troops)
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To: USMCVet

Republic P-47 ?D "JUG" 1944...


27 posted on 12/31/2004 5:06:51 AM PST by mo
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

mash here...http://ibistek.com/cobra.asp ..enjoy!!


28 posted on 12/31/2004 5:15:07 AM PST by mo
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To: CDHart
Is a .50 cal a machine gun?

Think : Blender set to 'Frappe'...

29 posted on 12/31/2004 5:20:57 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: mo

Yeah, a P47 that's gotta be it. Corsair only had six guns, P51 had four? Bombers had 12+.


30 posted on 12/31/2004 5:23:53 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: mo; USMCVet
P-47B OR C... Assuming the plane went down in '42-'44. I would doubt that Hawaii saw many of our best WWII fighters (P-47D). Hawaii was an operational backwater by the time the "D" model started reaching front-line units (mid '43), and they we're badly needed in the ETO at that time).

If it went down late in the war, it could have been the P-47N, which was designed specifically for pacific operations, but the '42 ammo suggests to me that it was an earlier model.

What say you, USMCVet?

31 posted on 12/31/2004 5:26:22 AM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: mo; Rebelbase

Yep. You guys have to be correct. I was surprised about the lack of information but when Mo mentioned the Thunderbolt I knew he was correct. The P-47 was the only fighter we had in World War Two which carried eight .50 caliber machine guns in the wings.


32 posted on 12/31/2004 5:36:30 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: TN4Liberty
Besides, really, where would you go shoot them anyway.

Well, there's this 10-foot area between my house and a nice wooden backdrop of a nursey-school.

Perfect.

33 posted on 12/31/2004 5:36:30 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Caipirabob
"Blender set to 'Frappe'..."

LOL! Very clear explanation!

Carolyn

34 posted on 12/31/2004 5:36:48 AM PST by CDHart
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To: USMCVet

Bump!


35 posted on 12/31/2004 5:38:53 AM PST by F-117A
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To: Cobra64
I hate these articles that talk about "machine guns."

Only problem is, they're talking about machine guns.

36 posted on 12/31/2004 5:39:20 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: USMCVet

My guess is it was a Navy craft...Wildcat?


37 posted on 12/31/2004 5:40:25 AM PST by wingnut1971
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I'm pretty much the same way with women.


38 posted on 12/31/2004 5:43:27 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: wingnut1971

I think the Grumman Wildcats only had 6 MGs in the wings


39 posted on 12/31/2004 5:44:14 AM PST by boofus
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To: Shooter 2.5

Republic P 47D Thunderbolt. The white bar insignia was introduced on August 14, 1943, and was used until 1947. As the plane was used as an escort for B 29s, and was lost on a training mission, I will go with 1945. I figure they were burning older ammo for training purposes.


40 posted on 12/31/2004 5:44:20 AM PST by Agent Smith (Fallujah delenda est. (I wish))
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