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To: RS
Your statement was " But that was 218 years ago, and times were different. " Am I supposed to believe that you meant something other then the laws that were set down at that time are not applicable NOW ? What DID you mean by that ?

Simply, the 18th Century is not the 21st Century, that was evident if you read the entire statement.

Citizen ID's could easily be Passports, and include fingerprinting. How does that impinge on your freedom? These ARE CITIZENS, who have not broken any lawsHow do you know they are innocent? You cannot know any more than you can call them guilty? They are presumed innocent, but their actions can make them appear guilty and this is why a PROFESSIONAL may want to dig deeper. The members of the terrorist cell in Buffalo contained citizens, too.

Times have changed,pal, the 19 monsters that crashed the planes on 9/11 were all Moslems, and that alone is enough for suspicion.

767 posted on 01/03/2005 10:53:44 AM PST by Former Dodger ("I can remember way back when a liberal was one who was generous with his own money." Will Rogers)
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To: Former Dodger

Fingerprinting and photography weren't part of the IDs of the 18th Century, but gunpowder and personally owned cannons were. Hmmm...sounds like they were willing to live with our Constitution, even with lesser ID than today, and with weapons of quite-a-bit-of-destruction. You see, it was the oppressive British who tried to take away the cannons and gunpowder, and the Constitution/BOR was written under the feeling that was a bad idea.


768 posted on 01/03/2005 11:08:22 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Former Dodger

"Simply, the 18th Century is not the 21st Century,"

Gee, glad you cleared that up ...??? Now what the heck does THAT mean ? Just what rights laid down in the Bill of Rights to you think should be ammended without an act of the people ?


"They are presumed innocent, but their actions can make them appear guilty and this is why a PROFESSIONAL may want to dig deeper. "

What actions made them appear guilty of breaking what law ?
The action of wearing a headscarf ?

"Citizen ID's could easily be Passports, and include fingerprinting. How does that impinge on your freedom? "

It appears you are advocating internal passports ... is this a correct assesment ?


771 posted on 01/03/2005 11:14:36 AM PST by RS
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To: Former Dodger
...their actions can make them appear guilty...

And that's why a police officer can pull you over if you have a broken taillight...but he still has to tell what it is that gave him the reason to pull you over. Why can't the CBP tell us something specific that gave them the reason for their actions, to show they weren't just violating the regulations?

As was posted earlier in this thread, it's not hysteria that suggests that open-ended powers can be abused...for example, the platform by which Catholics were targeted as being "automatically disloyal to the US, since their loyalties are with the Pope!" I don't want that type of idiotic behavior in the US!

BTW, those who crashed the planes were also male. Many other males commit murder each year. If you're male, do you mind if we treat you differently, just to make sure you're not possessing weapons that make you capable of such? Christians were bombing abortion clinics...let's infiltrate churches to be sure none of those terrorist attacks are being planned...after all, their Bible talks about "he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one"... how can there be any "moderate Christian"...if they don't have swords, they aren't true Christians! </sarc>

775 posted on 01/03/2005 11:40:32 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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