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To: Former Dodger; weenie; Fred Nerks; USF; Land_of_Lincoln_John; CHARLITE; ariamne

Well, since this thread refuses to die, and I know we all missed it the 48 hours it was napping, I thought I would add my new favorite "gem"

>>>>>This was said in a speech by French sociologist Ernest Renan back in '83.

1883, that is.

Muslims are the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels in the orient that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain the others in the practice of religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can do.<<<<<<<<

1,323 posted on 01/17/2005 9:05:24 PM PST by jan in Colorado (To fight the enemy, you must KNOW the enemy. And then KILL it)

To: jan in Colorado

1,324 posted on 01/17/2005 9:09:20 PM PST by Former Dodger (I thought ABORTION was murder and FUR was a Woman's right to choose.)

To: jan in Colorado

I agree with Ernest Renan. Muslims are captives of a cult called islam.
How are we going to free them?

And, isn't that what GWB is trying to achieve? Democracy in Afghanistan, Democracy in Iraq...etc., Freedom! Freedom to vote for their leaders, and remove the power of the imams and the mullahs over the people.

1,325 posted on 01/17/2005 9:49:31 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. free pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)

To: jan in Colorado

Churchill and many others have come to the same conclusion, and unfortuantely it didn't take me long a dhimmi to figure out the same.

Anyone know a good cult deprogrammer out there... I hear Rick Ross is not going anywhere near this...

1,329 posted on 01/18/2005 6:21:38 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)

To: jan in Colorado

Okay, jan...you've shocked the heck out of me...

Here you are asking us to look to Ernest Renan for wisdom... Ernest Renan who wrote of Jesus as nothing more than a wandering preacher, who was brilliant but not at all divine. Ernest Renan who claimed that Christ's appearances after the resurrection were nothing more than hopeful visions of excitable disciples. Ernest Renan who believed that the book of Daniel was a hoax. Ernest Renan who believed in no afterlife.

Wow. I've been told on FR that I have no soul for saying less than that!

On the other hand, the quote you cite is interesting in that it brings up the question that Fred Nerks alludes to: what is meant by "liberating" someone from Islam (the translation is probably straightforward from the French, but I'm asking what does it mean to us?)

Do we mean "convert" them...or what? Do we assume that "Democratic" Muslims will vote out Islam--or just vote to institutionalize it more?

Important questions, I think, even if I don't state them eloquently.

1,334 posted on 01/18/2005 3:35:43 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)

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