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U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims
Ayn Rand Institute ^ | Dec. 30, 2004 | David Holcberg

Posted on 12/30/2004 1:17:50 PM PST by bruinbirdman

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To: bruinbirdman
This aid money represents all of America. Like a mutual fund, we should expect that money to go where it will best perform. We already have a civilian and military presence in the area and we should volunteer their service and build a coalition of other nations that can do the same. Deduct from what we were going to give to the UN and use that money for our coalition.
21 posted on 12/30/2004 1:25:52 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Durus
Are you suggesting that a politician should take my money and give it to whomever he pleases in order to please the politicians chosen deity?


Having given my money to victims of whatever calamity, is that considered a good dead deed of mine or of the politicians?

22 posted on 12/30/2004 1:26:05 PM PST by Durus
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To: Forrestfire
I love that story and want to thank you for posting it on this thread.
23 posted on 12/30/2004 1:27:03 PM PST by right wing
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To: Windsong
"When you failed to do it for the least of these here brethren of mine..you failed to do it for me" --J.C.

You can't give everything to everybody.

Jesus Christ would not aprove of giving money to people to build houses again in an area that is.... lets face it...prone to this activity.

Nothing in the Bible does it say "Blessed are the Stupid.

The government taking money from you and I and giving it away is not charity.

It is forced slavery of You and I.

If I want to give money to help these people...and I will......I want to do it...not have the government tell me that I must do it.

JC hated publicans...tax collectors. And the tax collectors are running this country into the ground with this supposed idea of charity...which has stolen trillions from hard working Americans in the name of.....WE MUST DO IT.....IT IS ONLY RIGHT.

See the great society.....and welfare.....and Social security...and so on and so forth.

24 posted on 12/30/2004 1:27:11 PM PST by Radioactive
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To: aynrandfreak

Ahhh, I replied without even checking the sign-up date. I thought it seemed very un-conservative of a comment.


25 posted on 12/30/2004 1:27:21 PM PST by eyespysomething (And a happy new year!)
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To: bruinbirdman

And one more reason why the Libertarian Party cannot even get .5% of the vote. Feh!


26 posted on 12/30/2004 1:27:31 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: bruinbirdman

I promise that if a poll were taken, the vast majority of taxpayers would agree to have some of their tax dollars go to help the tsunami victims.


27 posted on 12/30/2004 1:28:07 PM PST by alnick
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To: bruinbirdman

If it's not your money, it's not charity.


28 posted on 12/30/2004 1:28:29 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: MineralMan

amen


29 posted on 12/30/2004 1:28:57 PM PST by commonguymd
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To: MineralMan
And one more reason why the Libertarian Party cannot even get .5% of the vote. Feh!

I thought it was their anti-Iraq War ideas and the completely open border they want. I didn't think it was the "limiting government" ideas.

31 posted on 12/30/2004 1:30:27 PM PST by eyespysomething (And a happy new year!)
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To: Windsong
"When you failed to do it for the least of these here brethren of mine..you failed to do it for me" --J.C.

Fair enough. But does this mean the government is taking my money and giving it away in the name of Jesus? I didn't think so!

Libertarians wouldn't stand in the way of individual donations or an organized private effort.

32 posted on 12/30/2004 1:30:30 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: LibWhacker

The Constitution authorizes the President to give money to charities on our behalf. Doesn't it?


33 posted on 12/30/2004 1:31:14 PM PST by MrLee
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To: Radioactive
Jesus Christ would not aprove of giving money to people to build houses again in an area that is.... lets face it...prone to this activity.

How do you know? Did He tell you?

JC hated publicans...tax collectors.

Actually, He didn't. He chose one as an apostle (Matthew), and used a parable to compare a humble publican to an arrogant Pharisee.

Jesus would wholeheartedly approve of anything we as individuals and as a country do to help these suffering people.

34 posted on 12/30/2004 1:31:25 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: frizzo426
Great. Another ignorant newbie chimes in.

So, according to you the Government can take as much money as it wants at the point of a gun, then give it away, and that's somehow 'Christian'?

And if I object to this obscene practice, I'm not a 'good Christian'?

You might want to go back and reread your Bible there, Sparky.

I believe there's a pretty big proscription against stealing.

L

35 posted on 12/30/2004 1:33:12 PM PST by Lurker ("I answer to you, 'F*** you-I shall die on my feet.!" Oriana Fallaci.)
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To: bruinbirdman
That's what I like about Liberaltarians - they are cold hearted with their god being money.

Sarcasm off.

LIBERALtarians are something to be ashamed of. Since they lack shame, I'll be ashamed for them and hope they soon develop some empathy for others rather than their SELF oriented philosophy based on money.
36 posted on 12/30/2004 1:33:46 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: sinkspur
Jesus would wholeheartedly approve of anything we as individuals and as a country do to help these suffering people.

Yes he would. Too bad others can't realize that.

37 posted on 12/30/2004 1:33:48 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: oldblackjoe
I guarantee you that the vast majority of Americans want our government to provide financial aid to the tsunami victims.

Are you sure they want the government to give the aid, or do they want aid to be given? If the latter, wouldn't they give freely of themselves, especially if they knew the government wouldn't give?

What do you think the American public's response would be, if Bush said "There is no Constitutional authority for us to send a single dime of taxpayer money overseas, but considering the enormity of the tragedy, aid is urgently needed, and I personally beg each of you who is able to give whatever you can afford to give, and to please do so as soon as possible." Do you think Americans (generally, not NYT reporters) would open their hearts and their wallets generously, or do you think they would call for his impeachement? Seriously.

You might want to read this: http://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=1329

I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution; and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit. A prevalent tendency to disregard the limited mission of this power and duty should, I think, be steadily resisted, to the end that the lesson should be constantly enforced that, though the people support the Government, the Government should not support the people.5

Cleveland went on to point out that “the friendliness and charity of our countrymen can always be relied on to relieve their fellow citizens in misfortune,” and indeed that “individual aid has to some extent already been extended to the sufferers mentioned in this bill.” Further, he suggested that if members of Congress really wanted to send seed to the suffering Texans, the congressmen might personally carry out this charitable transfer by using the seed routinely provided to all members for distribution to their constituents (at an expense of $100,000 in that fiscal year).


38 posted on 12/30/2004 1:33:56 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Catholic Relief Services (Designate contribution to Tsunami disaster fund on menu)

The Salvation Army South Asia Disaster Fund

World Vision Tsunami Relief Fund

Baptist World Aid

39 posted on 12/30/2004 1:35:17 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: nmh

Exactly the feeling I get sometimes listening to Boortz.


40 posted on 12/30/2004 1:36:07 PM PST by commonguymd
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