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RUSSIA DOWNGRADED TO “NOT FREE”
Freedom House ^ | December 22, 2004

Posted on 12/30/2004 11:09:24 AM PST by lizol

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1 posted on 12/30/2004 11:09:24 AM PST by lizol
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To: lizol
This story reminds me of something one of my Economics professors told us.

He said..
In America, if your neighbor comes home with a new car that you are envious of...You work harder to earn the ability to buy that car.

In Russia, if your neighbor comes home with a new car that you are envious of...You destroy the neighbor's car that we neither of you have it.
2 posted on 12/30/2004 11:15:17 AM PST by t-1000 (Hecho...Lava Sus Manos?)
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To: lizol

I wonder if Putin is aiming to become Czar Vladimir the Great?

Supposedly he's our ally in the War on Terror, but he's a wimp IMO because he did NOTHING to defend Russia after the Beslan horror.


4 posted on 12/30/2004 11:21:32 AM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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"I wonder if Putin is aiming to become Czar Vladimir the Great?"

Actually, he's almost become a czar, just witout using this name. The range of his today's power and influence in Russia is - in fact - almost the same like czar's.

"Supposedly he's our ally in the War on Terror".

Good you've added "supposedly".
5 posted on 12/30/2004 11:26:47 AM PST by lizol
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To: lizol

This article was already posted at least twice on FR. That said, I have to ask if you know who runs Freedom House. You will find Steve Forbes and another conservative on the board, but basically they are an African-American left wing group.


6 posted on 12/30/2004 11:28:57 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc
No, I don't really know this organisation. But I've read yesterday in some Polish newspaper, that it was supposed to be something Republican affiliated.

Then I took a look at their homepage, and I saw some "mixture" - from both sides, Democratic and Republican.
7 posted on 12/30/2004 11:34:18 AM PST by lizol
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To: GarySpFc

Liberals, i.e. useful idiots, are likened to canaries in that when they start to complain about the troubles in other countries it means they fear the leaders or the system in place which means they are more ruthless than the liberal mind commenting on the subject and thus should be taken seriously non the less.


8 posted on 12/30/2004 11:41:52 AM PST by DarkWaters
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To: GarySpFc

And your point being ????? Freedom House is not the only source that has verified this information. Putin is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union. He rigged his own election, the referendum in Belarus and the first Ukraine election. He has put all his KGB buddies in positions of power, suspended elections of Governors, brought back the red star and the Soviet anthem. And something else for you to chew on, Russia and China plan on doing joint military exercises next year. The last ones they had in 1999 had the scenario of China attacking Taiwan, the U.S. responding and Russia starting an all out nuclear war against U.S. troops. He needs to be watched carefully.


9 posted on 12/30/2004 11:42:37 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter; jb6; Destro; MarMema
And your point being ????? Freedom House is not the only source that has verified this information. Putin is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union. He rigged his own election, the referendum in Belarus and the first Ukraine election.

Were they smoking some of that funny smelling weed at your John Birch meeting last night, because your facts are way off base?
What orgainzations besides Freedom House? Freedom House founders, quite a few of the most leftist organizations in the world, amongst the list.: The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation The Byrne Foundation The Carthage Foundation The Eurasia Foundation The Ford Foundation The Freedom Forum Grace Foundation, Inc. Lilly Endowment, Inc. The LWH Family Foundation Charles Stewart Mott Foundation National Endowment for Democracy The Pew Charitable Trusts Sarah Scaife Foundation The Schloss Family Foundation Smith Richardson Foundation, Inc. The Soros Foundations The Tinker Foundation Unilever United States Foundation, Inc. US Agency for International Development US Department of State.
Putin won his election with a whopping 76% of the Russian vote in an election which outside obervers agreed was a very fair election.


He has put all his KGB buddies in positions of power, suspended elections of Governors, brought back the red star and the Soviet anthem.

Here is a news flash for you. The KGB is no more, and Putin is not a member, but rather is a professing Christian. It's only natural for him to put into positions of authority men he trusts. NOT EVERBODY IN THE KGB WAS EVIL. Furthermore, the words to the International were replaced, the tune remained the same.

And something else for you to chew on, Russia and China plan on doing joint military exercises next year. The last ones they had in 1999 had the scenario of China attacking Taiwan, the U.S. responding and Russia starting an all out nuclear war against U.S. troops. He needs to be watched carefully.

This year alone, Russia has had joint maneuvers with Japan & S.Korea and then again with the US and UK off the Chinese Coast. Russia also has military exercises with many other countries
10 posted on 12/30/2004 1:35:11 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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"Actually, he's almost become a czar, just witout using this name. The range of his today's power and influence in Russia is - in fact - almost the same like czar's."

I heard he changed the laws so all of the governors of Russia's provinces are now appointed by him instead of elected. With all the things he's doing, I wonder why he has a 73% approval rating?

"Supposedly he's our ally in the War on Terror".

Good you've added "supposedly"."

He's a pretty weird guy. First he endorses Bush during the 2004 election, and he's helped Bush before too. I remember a while back he had a news conference where he said that Russian intelligence had told Bush that Iraq had WMDs, at a time when all our liberals were whining about the missing WMDs.

Then, during the Ukraine election, he started talking about plots by the West to meddle in Russian affairs, etc.

Personally, I think Putin is a decent person, though autocratic, but we'll have to wait and see.

Apparently Putin and Bush are close friends, despite Putin's anti-western remarks.


11 posted on 12/30/2004 1:40:42 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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"And something else for you to chew on, Russia and China plan on doing joint military exercises next year. The last ones they had in 1999 had the scenario of China attacking Taiwan, the U.S. responding and Russia starting an all out nuclear war against U.S. troops. He needs to be watched carefully."

Scary stuff, especially in today's world. Putin does need to be watched. Remember what Reagan said "trust, but verify"

Although in the nuclear war scenario, I wonder how many of Russia's nuclear missiles actually still work. I'm guessing, not very many, considering the state of the Russian armed forces.


12 posted on 12/30/2004 1:44:26 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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Why scary? And if scary is Walmart and all those others that support making China so wealthy traitors?


13 posted on 12/30/2004 1:46:50 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: GarySpFc

"The KGB is no more, and Putin is not a member, but rather is a professing Christian. It's only natural for him to put into positions of authority men he trusts. NOT EVERBODY IN THE KGB WAS EVIL. Furthermore, the words to the International were replaced, the tune remained the same."

Putin seems like a nice person, but when he is looking after the interests of his country, he needs to be watched. Russia has lost pretty much all of it's former WARPACT nations, many to the EU or Nato. The only nation still allied with Russia is Belarus.

Putin's weak, [read nonexistant] response to the Beslan massacre caused me to lose a lot of respect for him. I thought he was a hardliner. But he did pretty much nothing after Beslan.

I mean come on, the terrorists killed BABIES, raped TEENAGE girls in front of their classmates, and then blew hundreds of people up, and what did Putin do? NOTHING!

The least he could have done was nuked Chechnya, or at least a massive artillery bombardment to do to Grozny what the Romans did to Carthage.


14 posted on 12/30/2004 1:52:10 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: Destro

"Why scary? And if scary is Walmart and all those others that support making China so wealthy traitors?"

Well, not traitors, because the government has let them manufacture in China.

What the govt needs to do is sanction China like North Korea, and move American manufacturers to other nations like Thailand or Honduras or India, where there are still millions of cheap laborers. We dont need China, but they need us. Without American capitalist $$$ their economy would collapse in 2 weeks.

Remember, China is using it's money to buy advanced weapons from Russia. We need to deny them the money to do this. That means sanctioning China.


15 posted on 12/30/2004 1:56:28 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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What the govt needs to do is sanction China like North Korea, and move American manufacturers to other nations like Thailand or Honduras or India

So you are in favor of a command economy?

16 posted on 12/30/2004 2:14:11 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: GarySpFc
Here's some light reading for you:

Putin Moves to Centralize Authority Plan Would Restrict Elections in Russia

Putin's unchallenged imperialism moves to Ukraine (Re: rigged Belarus referendum)

Questionable Elections (Putin intimidates opposition, controls media to win election)

Putin's men of power in the Kremlin share KGB link

Putin Plan Resurrects KGB

PUTIN FUELS FEARS FOR RETURN OF SOVIET UNION

Putin's imperial dreams

Putin's Pratfall

Putin revives red star and anthem

Russian forces help China in mock conflict (Scenario: China attacks Taiwan, U.S. retaliates, Russia enters conflict)

17 posted on 12/30/2004 2:25:10 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Destro

"So you are in favor of a command economy?"

hell no, but the gov't does make some of the rules, for example, it's illegal, i believe, for a US company to open factories in NOrth Korea.

We have to squeeze China somehow.


18 posted on 12/30/2004 2:27:57 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: GarySpFc

I give them a lot of credit for giving Cuba the lowest score possible and giving Israel the only "Free" ranking in the Middle East.


19 posted on 12/30/2004 2:29:03 PM PST by Nataku X (There are no converts in Islam... only hostages.)
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To: ravingnutter

I have read all of that dribble a long time ago. May I suggest you learn the differnce between opinion and fact.


20 posted on 12/30/2004 2:41:19 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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