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George Bush and God; Is George Bush too religious?
The Economist

Posted on 12/29/2004 4:39:43 PM PST by PrinceMarko

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To: PrinceMarko
I read this article Monday. It seems pretty even handed for the Economist, which leans liberal in religious matters.

What I like is that the Economist objectively concludes that President Bush is NOT too religious, given the context of American Presidents.
21 posted on 12/29/2004 5:24:54 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner ("There's not another country in the world . . . that could have produced a Pat Tilman."--Ann)
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22 posted on 12/29/2004 5:24:55 PM PST by cfhBAMA (Alabama Republican Party)
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What then do you consider the most intolerant part of that dang Christian religion: turning the other cheek, forgiving your neighbor, removing the log from you own eye before seeking to remove a speck from your brother's eye, personal humility, or the love of everyone (including your enemies)?
23 posted on 12/29/2004 5:45:36 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: PrinceMarko

Anyone who asks the question, "Is Bush too religious?" is a bigot.


24 posted on 12/29/2004 5:58:10 PM PST by Brilliant
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Anyone who asks the question, "Is Bush too religious?" is a bigot.

I hear you, but I think your stretching a bit. If one means "too religious" as in "too pious", then it is a fair question.

But in this case I think the author is addressing those who think that actually believing in Jesus (rather then paying empty lip service in Church) disqualifies one to be President, which I would have to agree is a rather disturbing premise.

25 posted on 12/29/2004 6:16:27 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

Exactly. The accusation that President Bush is "too religious" is a common one. This Economist article reads like it is answering the question, not asking it.


26 posted on 12/29/2004 6:20:45 PM PST by Voss
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To: AndyTheBear

The real issue, which energizes liberals, lies in their belief that a God-fearing man does not respond to his constituents, but rather to an internal message. One which is beyond the reach of others. It's a pretty good argument.


27 posted on 12/29/2004 6:23:49 PM PST by Rudder
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It's a pretty good argument.

That's rich. It was God-fearing men who wrote the Bill of Rights.

By contrast the modern day Liberals (or Leftists) are far more pious about overriding the will of the people then any Evangelical. The left just loves judicial activism based on a "Living" Constitution overriding the simple will of the people or the plain words a constructionist sees in the Constitution. Consider the abortion and gay marriage controversies.

Its God-fearing men who don't try to cheat on their constituents because it is God-fearing men who don't think of themselves as god-like!

28 posted on 12/29/2004 7:02:41 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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God-fearing men who don't think of themselves as god-like!

Excellent!

Hold that thought.

29 posted on 12/29/2004 7:13:18 PM PST by Rudder
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Jimmy Carter is a born-again Christian, but he didn't provoke such anger about mixing religion and politics and governing as Bush. Reason -- Carter is Democrat, and it's ok to be a Christian Democrat, but it's not ok to be a Christian Republican. That's why Bush gets so much flack on this issue.


30 posted on 12/29/2004 7:26:10 PM PST by Dan19
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To: AndyTheBear
Let me see if I have this right...

President Bush is president of all the people.
By being "religious" he is being divisive
So he should not be "too religious"...

And for those of us who are "religious"
If he is not "religious" then is he our president too?

31 posted on 12/29/2004 8:15:29 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: My2Cents
Okay that makes sense. I don't know, don't travel enough to judge the rest of the world. Read a lot, but always remember what my Dad said about not believing everything you read.
32 posted on 12/30/2004 9:21:18 AM PST by lolhelp
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Since Carter, the religious conservatives have been more activist, more aware, more willing to vote their convictions, and their votes have been going overwhelmingly to Republican candidates. Also, since Carter, the so-called "culture war" has heated up so that today it's something of a white-hot battle. This wasn't so much the case during Carter's term. As you suggest, if the vast majority of evangelical Christian votes were going to the Democrats, they wouldn't complain.


33 posted on 12/30/2004 9:37:54 AM PST by My2Cents (Is it OK to wish people a "Happy New Year"?)
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To: Rudder
their belief that a God-fearing man does not respond to his constituents, but rather to an internal message

This is kind of a twist on the old discussion of whether an elected official should represent the views of his or her constituents, or should represent his or her own convictions. In Bush's case, his convictions are "informed" by his Christian faith. Reagan is deemed a great leader because he was guided by a set of internal convictions -- agree or disagree with him, at least you always knew where Reagan stood on an issue. History will (and to a large extent already has) judged Clinton as a poor president because he wasn't guided by an internal moral compass, but by his own appetites.

I think the left's animosity toward Bush is sharper than it was against Reagan because Bush is more vocal about his faith than Reagan was, and the left has become increasingly more hateful of people with religious convictions, and of God in general. And, of course, Bush's religious convictions are more of a political plus than a minus, which really infuriates the left.

34 posted on 12/30/2004 9:48:29 AM PST by My2Cents (Is it OK to wish people a "Happy New Year"?)
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To: LiteKeeper
Exactly. As t"anti establishment clause" in the Bill of Rights states (Living Constitution version):

"Congress shall fund establishments of lawyers with the sacred mandate to judicially regulate establishments of religion and any public practice thereof."

35 posted on 12/30/2004 2:40:19 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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