Posted on 12/29/2004 1:33:23 PM PST by anotherview
And a less convoluted statement: http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/110_what_are_the_teachin.htm
The 40 day point corresponds to the usual time of "quickening", when the fetus begins to move.
Factually incorrect. I attended NYC public schools during the 40s and 50s and we recited the Pledge of Allegiance not the Lord's prayer and although Jewish, my mother taught me the Lord's prayer.
As for both parties being pro-Israel, when has there ever been a vote that gave them that choice?
The Jews ran from the socialist paradise in Europe and many mistakenly supported it in the US but that is changing fast comrade.
I agree. The dividing line is religious versus anti-religious. Sadly. most secular Jews, which is most Jews, have no special concern for Israel. They have never been there nor do they care about Israel’s survival as a Jewish country. On Israel, they are wholly apathetic at best or outright hostile.
Between Christians who have religious values and love for Israel and Jews who eschew both, Jews who care about Israel and values should understand who their natural allies are.
Secular fundamentalist Jews who fear school prayer would be equally horrified at a Jewish prayer service. It is prayer not Christian prayer that creeps them out. They can afford to blast off at Christian school prayer because Jewish school prayer is not on the horizon.
Their only connection to Judaism or any religion is enshrined in negatives.
trade.........
Through trade? You do know that Islam, the word, is a command, and means submit. Think scimitar. You do know this, yes? They just sliced and diced their way to Damascus, then across N. Africa. Anything else said is a lie.
Well aware, I was just glad to get a decent grade and never have to set foot in that department again.
"I am in E. Lansing whats this "professors" name????"
Salah Hassan I think, it was about 3 years ago I took the class
The traditional Jewish view of abortion does not fit conveniently into any of the major "camps" in the current American abortion debate. We neither ban abortion completely, nor do we allow indiscriminate abortion "on demand." To gain a clear understanding of when abortion is sanctioned, or even required, and when it is forbidden, requires an appreciation of certain nuances of halacha (Jewish law) which govern the status of the fetus.
I disagree. Many Jews (I think I've seen numbers like 50%)could care less. It is not on their radar screen.
Both the Democratic and Republican parties are overwhelmingly pro-Israel. Look at the votes in Congress if you don't believe me. Fritz Hollings and Cynthia McKinney are aberrations, not the mainstream. John Kerry has a consistently pro-Israel voting record. Don't believe me? Check the Congressional Record. If both parties are pro-Israel then American Jews are free to vote based on other issues.
During the Clinton/Albright/Holbrook administration Israel was force fed Oslo, and that led to the second Intifadah. US Admins have arm twisted Israel many times. The Dems more than Republicans, but Bush 1 did not treat Israel well. Pres Reagan was the best friend Israel ever had.
Administrations that let State and UN dictate policy or have a realpolitic approach favor Arabist interests.
Well put, Mike10542 - right on!
It's complex alright -- per the orthodox essay in the first link I posted in #22.
Your quotes from orthodox Jews about abortion are wrong. No real orthodox Jews would say that the Torah's teachings are incorrect because back then "they just didn't know (... fill in the blanks here...)". The Torah is the word of God and so applies in all times. There are multiple reasons for each law, so although one reason may not apply, other reasons still do. Same applies to your remarks that "dietary rules that were clearly based on limited knowledge of food-based infectious disease". This just isn't so. The dietary rules have other reasons also, and God in His wisdom knows what they are even if we don't.
And I'm sure the traditional orthodox Jewish teaching is that for the first 40 days after conception, the "product of conception" has no significance.
Your first link (http://www2.bc.edu/~langerr/abortion.htm), under Number 6 b, indicates that your statement is incorrect on the under 40 day fetus having "no significance." I referred to the complexity because so many different rules apply that even considering a pre-40 day fetus “mere water” does not permit indiscriminate destruction of these fetuses under Halacha or even Noachide laws.
As a matter of simple logic, a religion that has prohibitions on “wasting” semen surely has regard for a fetus of any age. Judaism is very legalistic and views such issues as fact specific. I am always amazed at the range of questions covered by the Talmud considering its antiquity.
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