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Human brain result of 'extraordinarily fast' evolution
The Guardian (UK) ^ | Wednesday December 29, 2004 | Alok Jha, science correspondent

Posted on 12/29/2004 9:14:28 AM PST by aculeus

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To: aculeus

Translation: "Once again, we are confronted by evidence that completely goes against the Darwinist paradigm, but we're going to avoid the obvious inferences by again describing evolution in personified terms, i.e. 'it's working hard . . .'"


41 posted on 12/29/2004 9:39:53 AM PST by Buggman (Your failure to be informed does not make me a kook.)
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To: maro

What makes you think God isn't an alien? If there is a God he certainly isn't of this world.


42 posted on 12/29/2004 9:40:09 AM PST by boofus
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To: aculeus
... "extraordinarily fast" certainly explains the results and presents the conundrum.

It took only one day. The sixth.

43 posted on 12/29/2004 9:42:25 AM PST by Gritty ("blue staters’ theophobia is more pervasive than red staters’ homophobia"-Mark Steyn)
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To: aculeus

Creationists ARE the 'Missing Link'.


44 posted on 12/29/2004 9:42:27 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: LtKerst

You're kidding, right?


45 posted on 12/29/2004 9:43:04 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: Buggman
"Once again, we are confronted by evidence that completely goes against the Darwinist paradigm, but we're going to avoid the obvious inferences by again describing evolution in personified terms, i.e. 'it's working hard . . .'"

It's not working hard the Darwinettes are working hard to explain how rocks turned into sludge/slime and we "appeared" with brains.

46 posted on 12/29/2004 9:44:02 AM PST by Johnny Crab (Always thankful.)
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To: aculeus

They just make this stuff up as they go along, don't they? I mean, as the need arises.


47 posted on 12/29/2004 9:44:03 AM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Elsie; AndrewC; jennyp; lockeliberty; RadioAstronomer; LiteKeeper; Fester Chugabrew; ...
"Simply put, evolution has been working very hard to produce us humans," said Bruce Lahn, an assistant professor of human genetics at the University of Chicago and an investigator at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute."

This professor needs to get his story straight with the evo's on FR. Evolution can't "work" hard, by definition. These anthropomorphism's can't be allowed to taint the clear message.

"Our study offers the first genetic evidence that humans occupy a unique position in the tree of life."

Doesn't he know there are no unique positions in evolution. Why must he give fodder for the enemy.

HeHe...

48 posted on 12/29/2004 9:44:37 AM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: boofus

I don't know whether you are serious. By "alien," I mean a creature from a species that originated off-Earth. "God" as traditionally understood does not fit that definition (not a creature, for starters, but the Creator).


49 posted on 12/29/2004 9:45:34 AM PST by maro
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To: Honor above all
Do you have any explanation for the commonality of a whole lot of DNA existing between so-called species?

Remember, dogs are NOT simply made of 'dog stuff', nor cows 'cow stuff' ...

50 posted on 12/29/2004 9:46:03 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: AreaMan

All fossils are transitionary by definition -- organisms either evolve or they go extinct facing ever-changing conditions. If you're talking about documented evolution, it exists in abundance. Just one of many examples:

From the Oligocene onward, the main carnivore lineages continued to diverge. Here is the dog/bear line.

Dogs:

Cynodictis (late Eocene) -- First known arctoid (undifferentiated dog/bear).
Hesperocyon (early Oligocene) -- A later arctoid. Compared to miacids like Paroodectes, limbs have elongated, carnassials are more specialized, braincase is larger. From here, the main line of canid evolution can be traced in North America, with bears branching out into a Holarctic distribution.
Cynodesmus (Miocene) -- First true dog. The dog lineage continued through Tomarctus (Pliocene) to the modern dogs, wolves, & foxes, Canis (Pleistocene).
Bears:

Cynodictis (see above)
Hesperocyon (see above)
Ursavus elmensis (mid-Oligocene) -- A small, heavy doglike animal, intermediate between arctoids and bears. Still had slicing carnassials & all its premolars, but molars were becoming squarer. Later specimens of Ursavus became larger, with squarer, more bear-like, molars.
Protursus simpsoni (Pliocene; also "Indarctos") -- Sheepdog-sized. Carnassial teeth have no shearing action, molars are square, shorter tail, heavy limbs. Transitional to the modern genus Ursus.
Ursus minimus (Pliocene) -- First little bear, with very bearlike molars, but still had the first premolars and slender canines. Shows gradual tooth changes and increase in body size as the ice age approached. Gave rise to the modern black bears (U. americanus & U. thibetanus), which haven't changed much since the Pliocene, and also smoothly evolved to the next species, U. etruscus:
Ursus etruscus (late Pliocene) -- A larger bear, similar to our brown bear but with more primitive dentition. Molars big & square. First premolars small, and got smaller over time. Canines stouter. In Europe, gradually evolved into:
Ursus savini (late Pleistocene, 1 Ma) -- Very similar to the brown bear. Some individuals didn't have the first premolars at all, while others had little vestigial premolars. Tendency toward domed forehead. Slowly split into a European population and an Asian population.
U. spelaeus (late Pleistocene) -- The recently extinct giant cave bear, with a highly domed forehead. Clearly derived from the European population of U. savini, in a smooth transition. The species boundary is arbitrarily set at about 300,000 years ago.
U. arctos (late Pleistocene) -- The brown ("grizzly") bear, clearly derived from the Asian population of U. savini about 800,000 years ago.. Spread into the Europe, & to the New World.
U. maritimus (late Pleistocene) -- The polar bear. Very similar to a local population of brown bear, U. arctos beringianus that lived in Kamchatka about 500,000 years ago (Kurten 1964).
The transitions between each of these bear species are very well documented. For most of the transitions there are superb series of transitional specimens leading right across the species "boundaries". See Kurten (1976) for basic info on bear evolution.


51 posted on 12/29/2004 9:47:32 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Clara Lou
They just make this stuff up as they go along, don't they? I mean, as the need arises.

Sorta like 'particle physics', computers and automotive technology; we just roll it out of Area 51 when needed ...

52 posted on 12/29/2004 9:48:49 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: LtKerst
Yo, VERY fast: God spoke, and it was. Boom. I'm hoping more of a dialog develops on the possible mechanics of creation. I WHOLLY accept the fact that God created us in an instant, but what mechanism did He use? Nanotechnology? Perfect way to build a man from dust, methinks.

Gotta love the way something like this pops up, that lies LIGHT-YEARS outside the evolution model we've had pounded into us, and bingo, there's zero mention of the fact that they were wrong. Only a new twist to force-fit unexpected findings into their tortured logic. Evolutionists are so incredibly predictable and boring.

Doesn't matter who you are. If you're reading these words, YOU will take a knee before the Creator, and with your mouth you will acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. You have a choice as to the future you'll have ahead of you at that point, but you'll have no choice on the kneeling and confessing.

MM

53 posted on 12/29/2004 9:50:59 AM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: RightWhale
You could put the whole 4 million year collection on a couple shelves in your study library.

Huh? You can fit a triceratops skull (just ONE mind you) on a shelf? Are you like a giant or something?

54 posted on 12/29/2004 9:51:58 AM PST by Shryke (My Beeb-o-meter goes all the way to eleven.)
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To: Clara Lou
They just make this stuff up as they go along, don't they? I mean, as the need arises.

Yes, it is called science. You start with a problem, you propose a hypothetical solution and you look for evidence to support or refute that hypothesis. So yes, scientists "just make" up hypotheses. Because that's what they're paid to do. What competing scientific method would you suggest?

55 posted on 12/29/2004 9:53:17 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: MississippiMan
Doesn't matter who you are. If you're reading these words, YOU will take a knee before the Creator, and with your mouth you will acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. You have a choice as to the future you'll have ahead of you at that point, but you'll have no choice on the kneeling and confessing.

Thanks, I'll pass that along to my Rabbi.

56 posted on 12/29/2004 9:54:27 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: DoctorMichael
Creationists ARE the 'Missing Link'.

Creationists are not. They are an evolutionary dead-end.

57 posted on 12/29/2004 9:55:16 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: MayflowerMadam

I call this coming generation the "throw away the instructions generation". It seems appropriate.

I got the idea after seeing one youngster open a Christmas present and promprlty, knowingly and intentionally throw away the instructions.


58 posted on 12/29/2004 9:57:09 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: Phantom Lord
...viruses evolve in a matter of months to build resistance to the newest antibiotics.

Tell me about it. I've been fighting a nasty bug/sinus infection for a month. You think it's cured, then back it comes.

59 posted on 12/29/2004 9:57:35 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: RightWhale; Shryke
You could put the whole 4 million year collection on a couple shelves in your study library.

One sometimes reads that all hominid fossils could fit in a coffin, or on a table, or a billiard table. That is a misleading image, as there are now thousands of hominid fossils. They are however mostly fragmentary, often consisting of single bones or isolated teeth. Complete skulls and skeletons are rare.
Source: Prominent Hominid Fossils.
60 posted on 12/29/2004 9:57:36 AM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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