Bush Immigration Plan Would Allegedly 'Destroy the Middle Class'

www.townhall.com ^ | 29 December 2004 | Jeff Johnson

[Dane]

I see your point. But, you see you are listing various groups of people each with their own customs, beliefs, etc. we are importing the Mexican way of life. I personally do not want to live in a watered down version of Mexico. I can drive three hours from my house and see Mexico in all it's glory and it aint pretty.

Huh, what about a watered up Mexico proper. Sorry but I don't agree with your fatalist position on Mexico. President Bush himself has said that the immigration problem will not be solved until Mexico reforms itself. Is it going to be easy, no, but he is going to try and leave a legacy for his successors to do the same, damn the knee jerk political hyperbole from a small but very vocal and megaphoned rhtetoric(thank you wedge looking liberla media) in his own party.

[Fatalis]

Change the legal environment to provide a legal path for hiring immigrants, and juries will be far more likely to generate convictions.

Give employers a way of verifying employment eligibility, which they haven't had until just recently, and juries will be far more likely to generate convictions. In 2003 President Bush signed the legislation establishing a voluntary workplace verification program that's now available to employers in all 50 states. House Rules Chairman David Dreier will be introcucing legislation next year to make the program mandatory, along with a quadrupling of fines for employers of illegal aliens.

[bayourod]

"We've never had such a large and homogeneous, non-English speaking population, including ..."

So? How does that hurt you? If you don't like Mexican food don't go to Mexican restaurants.

The Mexican immigrants I have known love America and have no desire to overthrow our government and subject themselves to Mexican rule. That's just kook talk.

Or did you fall for Buchanan's "fear commercial" that you could choke on a meatball if the 911 operator is bilingual?

[Yaelle]

I don't understand why we need to be compassionate to criminals over hardworking Americans trying to make ends meet.

If Bush doesn't consider illegal immigration illegal any more, then he should push to enact a law stating that any form of immigration is lawful, no matter whether it's your family in the trunk of a coyote or your band of hardworking terrorists in a container.

All in all, this sets a terrible precedent. Do we really want our President (no matter who is in the WH) singlehandedly encouraging disobedience to our laws? I find this unconstitutional.

[american spirit]

Is it going to take seeing one of your loved one's being raped, robbed or murdered by some cretin who should've never been allowed here in the first place to get your head out of that rectal/cranial inverted state it's in? I've been reading your inane, half$$ed repsonses to people trying to reason with you for weeks over this issue and you just don't get it do you? Quit being another friggin' useful idiot for these politicians and groups that want to destroy this country!

[azhenfud]

"....the fact that Bush is the first President in trying to deal with a problem that has been festering for 40 years."

Bull malarkey up to the knees. Ask any CBP agent about the INCREASED numbers of border jumpers since Bush first mentioned his asinine amnesty plan. He's not only made CBP agents' jobs harder due to increased volume and stupid restrictions but more dangerous as they (illegals) are more agressive in their attempts.

[bayourod]

There is no downward spiral trend. That's John Kerry type propaganda. People are buying bigger houses, cars, TVs etc... than ever before

[Yaelle]

GW is blind to this because in his heart he believes that inside every illegal who struggled to get into this country is a hardworking, loyal American ready to be born.

And if there is?

We have immigrants from all over the world who get here by applying, by entering legally. These "unborn Americans" are the kind we want: they play by the rules. And Bush is taking the kind that refuse to play by the rules OVER the good guys. Why can't he see how wrong he is?

[guitfiddlist]

You have absolutely nailed it.

[Types_with_Fist]

Dang, Rod. Are you angling for a shot at president of Aztlan?

[bayourod]

"... being raped, robbed or murdered by some cretin.."

Is that your stereotype of Hispanics?

[Dane]

If Bush doesn't consider illegal immigration illegal any more, then he should push to enact a law stating that any form of immigration is lawful, no matter whether it's your family in the trunk of a coyote or your band of hardworking terrorists in a container.

All in all, this sets a terrible precedent. Do we really want our President (no matter who is in the WH) singlehandedly encouraging disobedience to our laws? I find this unconstitutional

And you as a Jew are all for a porgorom of a toilet cleaner and/or dishwasher to be deported.

If the rhetoric that you are now proclaiming now were taken when the rehtoric was at a same low level fever pitch a century ago, you may not have been able to post on FR, now. Your ancestors could have been sent back to Germany, Poland, or Russia.

Yes speculative on my part, but your rhetoric is also speculative, IMO, on your opinions of modern hispanic people doing work and trying to carve a part of the American dream.

BTW, I remember your posting on FR about your pride that Gore had picked Lieberman(the first Jew on a Presidential ticket).

I didn't criticize you on your postings. I'd rather criticize a person on their politcal positions, than their creed or ethinicty.

[JustAnotherSavage]

McDonalds contributes to MALDEF, the lawyer advocacy group for illegal rights. They shot down Calif. 187 and are trying their best to destroy Az. prop. 200.



Taken from pages 15 and 16 of MALDEF's annual report
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http://ccir.net/REFERENCE/MALDEF-2002-2003.html

[bayourod]

"Are you angling for a shot at president of Aztlan? "

Is it like Cancun? I've had a couple friends get Ambassadorships to Caribbean nations. I think I would prefer one of those.

[Yaelle]

It's not an attitude problem. I have heard small business owners here in So CA say that they prefer to work with English-speaking guys on their teams, guys with some education and math, guys who want to move up, yet they are prohibited from hiring those types of people because those types know their worth and command a bit more $$ and benefits than the illegals.

Thus a crew of Americans (of all stripes) with a bit of education and experience have to bid higher on jobs and don't get them. Illegals with no language (could prove dangerous on the job), no background (could be a murderer on your crew), no education (no quick geometrical calculations) crowd out young apprentices who would be better qualified to do a better job.

[Fatalis]

I happen to think that AgJobs or Senator McCain's proposals work far better with much less red tape for businesses in this country.

Other than not including illegal aliens, what is the difference in red tape between AgJobs, McCain's plan, and Tancredo's plan?

I'd much rather not give Tancredo any credit at all, particualrly given his decision to work with the likes of Buchanan.

Sounds like a personal issue. I've seen where a former webmaster for Buchanan now works for a Tancredo site, and I've also seen that there are some connections with Angela Bay Buchanan, who was Treasury Secretary under Richard Nixon and has been a Beltway insider for decades. Is that what you mean when you say Tancredo works "with the likes of Buchanan" or is there something else?

All of that notwithstanding, Tancredo has a viable and generous guest worker program on the table, whether you want to give him credit for it or not.

[guitfiddlist]

Somebody wanna explain wny the law of supply and demand should not apply to employers? If Americans don't want those jobs, pay more until they do.

Amen. Funny how the laws of supply and demand are touted to justify $18 million NBA salaries, but the same free marketeers go brain-dead on aalaries for jobs "Americans won't do", or "can't be found" to do (read H-1B).

[You Dirty Rats]

If you want to come here, work hard, become an American and do it through legal means--I am all for it.

Good luck with that. Current immigration law and practice is a complete disaster. It's very difficult to do it legally, and so easy to cheat. Reputable firms and honest would-be immigrants lose out. I lost my best employee because we couldn't get her resident status despite an advanced degree, enormous potential, a great work record and many thousands spent on immigration lawyers.

My issue is--I don't think it is wise to take in some many immigrants from one single country or even ethnic group. I would not care if it was Sweden that they were coming from. It is about preserving our way of life and system of governement or what is left of it.

150 years ago people voiced similar fears about the Irish and Germans. Today it's mostly Mexicans and Russians. They aren't coming in enough numbers to completely change the demographics. The Republic is not in danger because of this.

[NewRomeTacitus]

"...anyone who uses the term "cesspool" to describe immigrants has no right to whine about the image he creates of himself."

You continually and purposely refuse to see any distinction between legal immigrants and illegal aliens while trying to get others to share your disregard for the law, or basic right versus wrong for that matter. Are you a Clinton-appointed judge?

"If they opened their eyes...they might discover that we aren't in the midst of a great depression, but instead are enjoying unprecedented prosperity."

If that prosperity requires slow bankruptcy of the middle class it is not prosperity, merely short-term profit in a suicide pact. Those that enrich themselves from such imposed socialism can only be viewed as traitors to America's ideals and those who gave all to build and protect this nation. Your continuous cheerleading for corruption makes me wonder if you even have a soul to pray for.

[JustAnotherSavage]

Good for your daughter, that's the kind of kids around here. Not to mention all those "worthless, lazy kids" who are in Iraq, Afghanistan and who knows what other hell hole defending the rights of people to spew their propaganda.