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Charles plans his modern coronation
London Times ^ | 12/26/04 | Christopher Morgan and Nicholas Hellen

Posted on 12/27/2004 5:55:40 PM PST by wagglebee

Marry in a register office, says church

THE royal family has started making preparations for the Prince of Wales to become king by secretly devising sweeping changes to modernise the coronation and other ceremonies marking his accession.

Under the review, courtiers are considering pruning “Ruritanian” elements of the coronation ceremonial and creating a new role for leaders of non-Christian religions in the service.

“A lot has happened since the (Queen’s) coronation in 1953. There will be a large number of differences. I don’t mind the word modernising,” said the Duke of Norfolk, who as earl marshal will organise Charles’s coronation.

Although he emphasised that at 78 the Queen remains in robust good health, the duke said: “I have been secretly planning and secretly thinking and secretly consulting and secretly liaising.” He has already completed a revised plan for her funeral.

The duke will discuss the plans in the new year with Prince Charles’s office, which is conducting a parallel review of the accession ceremonies. These are held immediately after the death of a monarch.

The Queen’s willingness to permit the review will give scope to Charles, 56, to assert himself after a miserable year. In recent months his aides’ efforts to polish his image have been hampered by bad publicity at an industrial tribunal and by his refusal to attend a society wedding with other members of the royal family because he could not be seated with Camilla Parker Bowles, his companion.

There was further positive news for him this weekend as a senior figure in the Church of England raised the possibility of a resolution to his marital status by proposing a register office wedding.

David Stancliffe, Bishop of Salisbury, said: “If the Prince of Wales and Mrs Parker Bowles expressed a wish to marry, the proper pastoral approach should be to advise them to seek a civil ceremony which may be followed by prayers of dedication in church.”

This suggestion, which he said was supported by the majority of the episcopate, marks a significant development from the position taken a year ago by Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury. Williams indicated that the couple might not meet the criteria for a remarriage in church.

According to Stancliffe, the church’s expert on liturgy, the dedication ceremony would be appropriate for a future supreme governor of the Church of England. “That can be a solemn and splendid affirmation of their new marriage.”

An act of parliament would be required because at present there is no provision for the royal family to marry in a register office.

Although the earl marshal said detailed plans for Charles’s coronation would remain flexible, in order to “judge the (public) mood correctly”, he disclosed that Charles will not have to wait as long as his mother did to be crowned after her death. The Queen waited 16 months from the death of her father, George VI, in February 1952, until her coronation in 1953.

“It will all happen much quicker,” the earl marshal said. “I don’t envisage anything like that gap again.”

On the death of the Queen, a new monarch will be proclaimed as soon as possible at an accession council to be held at St James’s Palace to which all members of the privy council will be summoned. Its meeting will be televised for the first time and the new king may also make a broadcast.

Under existing rules, parliament is suspended on the death of the monarch, but it meets again to enable MPs to take an oath to the new sovereign.

The traditional pageantry accompanying public proclamations of a new monarch in Windsor, York and the City of London is likely to be pruned, however. In the capital, the city marshal traditionally makes a show of challenging a carriage procession led by the Household Cavalry. To the sound of marching trumpeters, and the reverberation of gun salutes from Hyde Park and the Tower of London, the common cryer and the serjeant at arms of the City read the proclamation.

This weekend, spokesmen for Buckingham Palace and Clarence House confirmed the review of the accession arrangements, which they described as “contingency planning”. Neither was able to say when the plans had last been reviewed.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britishmonarchy; coronation; princecharles; queenelizabeth; royals
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The queen is in good health at 78 and her mother lived to over 100. The women in the royal family have a history of longevity, while the men generally die much younger. It seems to me that they should look at the real possibility that the Queen may outlive Prince Charles. Besides, if what I read is correct, his son is far more popular than he could ever be.
1 posted on 12/27/2004 5:55:40 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Long live the Queen!


3 posted on 12/27/2004 6:08:55 PM PST by omega4412 (The Irishman sang "Britannia, Britannia rule the waves…" And the cat fell dead!)
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Prince Charles: I am your king!

Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you.

Prince Charles: You don't vote for kings.

Woman: Well, 'ow did you become king then?

Prince Charles: The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur 
from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. 
[singing stops] That is why I am your king!

Man: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive 
power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

Prince Charles: Be quiet!

Man: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

Prince Charles: Shut up!

Man: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar 
at me they'd put me away!

Prince Charles: Shut up! Will you shut up!

4 posted on 12/27/2004 6:09:42 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon

I think this is probably what will happen.


5 posted on 12/27/2004 6:10:54 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: Lazamataz

Bloody peasants!


6 posted on 12/27/2004 6:13:29 PM PST by IndyTiger
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon
Go directly to William V.

No chance.

7 posted on 12/27/2004 6:13:31 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: wagglebee

I've always held negative views of Charles for his poor treatment of Princess Diana. However, that's ancient history now, and Charles has the right to get on with his life. Let him marry Camilla and have some happiness in his latter years...it may be years before he ascends to the throne.


8 posted on 12/27/2004 6:14:40 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: wagglebee

To truly modernise, don't crown anyone at all. Let QE2 be the last monarch.


9 posted on 12/27/2004 6:14:45 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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To: Lazamataz

The Classics never die!


11 posted on 12/27/2004 6:20:47 PM PST by xp38
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To: wagglebee
By the time Charles gets crowned, the opinion of the Imam of London will be more important than that of the archbishop of Canterbury. I believe under Islam Charles could have three wives (or is it four; I'm a bit shaky on the details.)
12 posted on 12/27/2004 6:20:58 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: wagglebee

Blechhh, King Chuckles :-(

I hope Queen Elizabeth outlives him, so the crown can pass on to Prince William. I don't trust Chuck, in fact I believe he could do some serious monkey business in the multicultural department.


13 posted on 12/27/2004 6:21:05 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon

Agreed! Chuck takes himself so seriously, it's hilarious. (This could be such a great Monty Python skit...)


14 posted on 12/27/2004 6:23:07 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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To: Lazamataz

Thank you! That was my first LOL for the day...and it's 8:30 pm where I am right now! :)


17 posted on 12/27/2004 6:29:29 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Lazamataz

Hee-hee-hee!

Someone should post a picture on here of Charles next to Alfred E. Neuman as a "separated at birth"...


18 posted on 12/27/2004 6:30:46 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Snappy, witty, humerous tagline needed! Will pay in Marlboro Miles...)
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To: Theresawithanh

He certainly has the ears...


19 posted on 12/27/2004 6:36:45 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: wagglebee

"...creating a new role for leaders of non-Christian religions in the service"

This from the "defender of the faith."


20 posted on 12/27/2004 6:37:09 PM PST by Kerfuffle
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