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Yushchenko WINS Ukrainian Elections
5 tv Ukrazine ^

Posted on 12/27/2004 12:19:23 PM PST by b2stealth

Latest data from Ukraine:
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CEC (99.87% counted) 52.02% (Yushchenko) - 44.18% (Yanukovich)
National Exit-Poll 56.31% - 41.31%
Social-Monitoring Poll 58.10% - 38.40%
The Luntz Research Company 56% - 41%
Yushchenko HQ 54.91% - 40.46%


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: elections; kgb; russia; soroswins; ukraine; yanukovich; yushenko
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To: KMC1

I saw some of their debate and this guy sounded like just another Euro-socialist.

If that is "West leaning" then who needs it?


21 posted on 12/27/2004 12:45:00 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: frontdeboeuf

bttt


22 posted on 12/27/2004 12:46:11 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: b2stealth
Dick Morris is on Hannity right now, explaining how the vote went -- he was apparently an election consultant in the Ukraine. But now he's saying that there is no doubt that Hillary will be the Democratic nominee in 2008, and she has a "very good" chance of winning! Too bad there are no new frontiers -- I'll just have to stay here, I guess.

Carolyn

23 posted on 12/27/2004 12:46:22 PM PST by CDHart
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To: CDHart

Hillary running, George Soros pumping millions into RAT 527s...

I really hope Jeb Bush reconsiders his decision NOT to run in 2008. I don't see who else could beat Hillary.


24 posted on 12/27/2004 12:49:53 PM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.)
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To: RtWngr

No, I'm saying that exit polls only accurate when there is a huge difference like 8%+
Not 4% like it was here in US..


25 posted on 12/27/2004 12:58:07 PM PST by b2stealth
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To: frontdeboeuf

>This article is translated from the Russian,and is >available at:

>http://informacia.ru/facts/ushenko-facts.htm h

GOD JOB COMRADE! KGB IS PROUD OF YOU! NOW GO BACK TO DU FORUM YOU TROLL!


26 posted on 12/27/2004 12:59:41 PM PST by b2stealth
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To: b2stealth

my prediction is that this will be met with an iron fist and Putin will dare the West to intervene...they will not give up power and he will declare a national emergency in the Ukraine...s/b very interesting.


27 posted on 12/27/2004 1:13:16 PM PST by blteague
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To: b2stealth

gotcha - thanks


28 posted on 12/27/2004 1:40:31 PM PST by RtWngr (Being tolerant of the intolerant is pretty stupid actually.)
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To: KMC1

C'mon, give them a break. There is no motivation for the Left to favor the status quo in Ukraine. I'd even argue, from a variety of angles, that it is in the interest of the Right to favor the status quo (Yushchenko has pledged to pull the Ukrainian contigent out of Iraq, Putin has been an ally in the GWOT, Putin has put a damper on oil prices, for instance). That both the Left and the Right agree on the desirability of an Orange victory in Ukraine speaks well of both sides.

Can't we all just get along?


29 posted on 12/27/2004 1:45:00 PM PST by bagman
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To: frontdeboeuf
I wouldn't quote the British Helsinki Human Rights Group as a reliable source on anything. If you want more info on them read this about their past activities from Wikipedia:

British Helsinki Human Rights Group

30 posted on 12/27/2004 1:53:10 PM PST by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: hchutch
When exactly will the Ukrainian troops be pulling out of Iraq? You know they will not be a part of the coalition in Iraq with the new guy in power.

Old George Soros gets another country willing to leave the coalition. What a nice present for his new year party!! Maybe it he get a few more countries to go along with his fascist/commie(socialist) buddies of the EU. I read someplace he is trying to pull some "money-coated strings" with the Albanian government and get them to quit as well.

31 posted on 12/27/2004 1:59:56 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: b2stealth

I don't trust ANY of these jokers -

Yuschenko, Yanukovich, just different sides of the same coin.

Both served in Kuchma's government.

One is a Soviet Putin dupe, the other is a far-left socialist who wants to join the EU. I don't see anything to be excited about in either case.


32 posted on 12/27/2004 2:03:03 PM PST by adam_az (UN out of the US! - http://www.moveamericaforward.org/?Page=Petition)
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To: b2stealth
Let's see you have been here on FR for a shorter time than the person you called a troll. Hmmmmmmmmm.... perhaps you should NOT poke fingers in folk's eyes since you have been here NOT all that long yourself.

Besides, on FR we like to get opinions from many publications... whether we agree with them or not.

You sound so very harsh. Try to chill!

I do not trust either candidate, by the way. I cannot stand Soros and am no fan of Putin either. So, don't you dare call this old commie fighter a commie. Ever killed a commie soldier, pup?

33 posted on 12/27/2004 2:09:53 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: adam_az

BTTT


34 posted on 12/27/2004 2:11:12 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: hchutch

"If the KGB (now the SVR) had wanted Yushchenko dead, does anyone really think he'd have been around to lead that Orange Revolution?"

Don't give them too much credit. They tried to off the Pope and failed and got caught. They tried and failed to kidnap Conrad Adenauer. When everything depended on it, they could not do anything about Yeltsin. They are much better at mass murder (Katyn Forest) than surgical strikes.

They have used poison before. The KGB killed a dissident in London with a poison pellet-shooting umbrella. The Russians must have assumed that English doctors were as incompetent as Russian doctors, that the true cause of death would remain undiscovered and that nobody would be the wiser. Of course, the pellet was recovered and the job was traced back to them.


35 posted on 12/27/2004 2:17:47 PM PST by Airborne1986
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To: b2stealth

You forgot the Zogby-Kerry-Clinton-Yanukovich poll:

Yanukovich(eventual loser) - 54.3%
Yushchenko(eventual winner)- 45.2%

Zogby thought he had this election called right from the git-go? Maybe a recount is needed?


36 posted on 12/27/2004 2:27:46 PM PST by rawhide
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To: Airborne1986; Poohbah

But why dioxin, which has never been known to have caused a fatality?

If it was KGB, why not use ricin or potassium chloride to ensure he is killed?


37 posted on 12/27/2004 2:37:01 PM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.)
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To: hchutch
I bet George Soros will be boasting about his involvement.

And you'll believe him. You believe Soros whenever it's convenient for you and fits your conspiracy theories, and you dismiss what he says when it's inconvenient.

Here's hoping that there is a huge fire or something on the production line for the Kolchuga.

The person Soros is really, indisputably responsible for putting in office is Leonid Kuchma, who already sold the Kolchuga to China and Iraq. Yanukovych is his chosen successor.

38 posted on 12/27/2004 2:49:33 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Airborne1986; hchutch
They tried to off the Pope and failed and got caught.

But the basic technique (having someone shoot the Pope) was a method of murder that was known to work.

Dioxin doesn't fit that description.

The KGB killed a dissident in London with a poison pellet-shooting umbrella.

Yup--the pellet was loaded with ricin, which is extremely lethal. A very small dose is 100% fatal, and once the fatal dose is in one's system, there is no antidote.

Conversely, dioxin is not known to be fatal, even at 140% of the dosage that Yushchenko apparently received.

My personal guess for "who gains" by this act: George Soros. Yushchenko is now too sick to lead Ukraine, and must rely on "helpers" from Soros' foundation.

The Russians must have assumed that English doctors were as incompetent as Russian doctors, that the true cause of death would remain undiscovered and that nobody would be the wiser. Of course, the pellet was recovered and the job was traced back to them.

Actually, the only reason that it was tracked back to them was that another intended victim got extremely lucky--the pellet fell out of his skin before delivering its full dose, but after he'd gone to the hospital because he was extremely sick. They then did a second post-mortem on Markov and found a similar pellet, plus they blood serum work to specifically search for ricin.

39 posted on 12/27/2004 2:52:11 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: Airborne1986; hchutch
They tried to off the Pope and failed and got caught.

But the basic technique (having someone shoot the Pope) was a method of murder that was known to work.

Dioxin doesn't fit that description.

The KGB killed a dissident in London with a poison pellet-shooting umbrella.

Yup--the pellet was loaded with ricin, which is extremely lethal. A very small dose is 100% fatal, and once the fatal dose is in one's system, there is no antidote.

Conversely, dioxin is not known to be fatal, even at 140% of the dosage that Yushchenko apparently received.

My personal guess for "who gains" by this act: George Soros. Yushchenko is now too sick to lead Ukraine, and must rely on "helpers" from Soros' foundation.

The Russians must have assumed that English doctors were as incompetent as Russian doctors, that the true cause of death would remain undiscovered and that nobody would be the wiser. Of course, the pellet was recovered and the job was traced back to them.

Actually, the only reason that it was tracked back to them was that another intended victim got extremely lucky--the pellet fell out of his skin before delivering its full dose, but after he'd gone to the hospital because he was extremely sick. They then did a second post-mortem on Markov and found a similar pellet, plus they blood serum work to specifically search for ricin.

40 posted on 12/27/2004 2:52:30 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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