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Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane 'shot down' in Pennsylvania
WorldNet Daily ^ | December 27, 2004

Posted on 12/27/2004 1:21:09 AM PST by Stoat

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To: Dark Glasses and Corncob Pipe

Good thing he didn't try to do a barrel roll/dive into the ground combo- he wouldn't get to do it twice in succession.


401 posted on 12/28/2004 1:23:58 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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ROFL!


402 posted on 12/28/2004 2:12:25 AM PST by bd476
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To: AntiGuv
The a/c was not shot down. There is no evidence that it was and there is plenty of multi source data that it was not.


100 years ago, people pitied the village idiot.

Then TV news pointed a camera at him and made him a celebrity

Now, he has a keyboard and lots of bandwidth.
405 posted on 12/28/2004 5:49:09 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: Stoat
Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?"

Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?

"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York.'"

I think Dick Cheney's explanation is very clear. What else does their need to be said.

Whatever people want to say, they'll say. People can't refute that the passengers did revolt against terrorists. People can't refute that loved ones have told stories of bravery from these passengers.

It seems that some of this effort is less about questioning whether the President (his administration, military, etc.) must make these kind of gut-wrenching decisions, but about tarnishing the memory of these people. It seems that the left wants to break down the "myth" that these people did one of the bravest things any person can do for another: sacrifice themselves so that others don't die.

The left understands the power of belief; in fact, they are fighting against that everyday of their lives (more especially during the recent holidays). They understand that if they can't ruin the beliefs and feelings that we have over these issues, then they can more effectively combat these references.

And, again, it is yet another example of the left using national tragedy for 1) the detriment of their political opponents and/or 2) the advancement of their own political agenda. Period.

406 posted on 12/28/2004 5:52:55 AM PST by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: MindBender26
The a/c was not shot down. There is no evidence that it was and there is plenty of multi source data that it was not.

There is plenty of data that appear to be conclusive that debris was found too far from the crash site to have "bounced" that far.

As for pitying the village idiot, what do you have to say about such routine and offhand lies as Tommy Thompsons lies about the anthrax attacks? "Drank from a stream" my ass.

Had they been just a shade less outre, you would be just as derisive of anyone questioning Tommy Thompson's lies now as you are of those who think something other than the official story happened on flight 93.

Governments lie. They lie reflexively. They lie routinely when it comes to successful sabotage attacks. They lie to prop up financial markets and morale. They lie to keep people from "panicing" - which, in governments' view is any behavior inconvenient to the government.

407 posted on 12/28/2004 8:58:34 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: eno_
Sorry, but you are wong on many counts.

A/C was one large smoking hole in the ground, with a few pieces entirely consistent with midair VNE overspeed separation.

Of course governments lie, as do people and companies. I have no problem with them lying regarding military operations, etc. The modern "the public must know, RIGHT NOW" is foolish. It simply all too often gives away information that ends up costing lives.

As a retired reporter, I all all to familiar with the reporters' quest for a quote, any quote, right or wrong, as long as it is first.
408 posted on 12/28/2004 9:17:42 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: MindBender26

And Tommy Thompson's lies helped... how?


409 posted on 12/28/2004 9:44:12 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: MindBender26
"VNE overspeed separation..."

What is the meaning of this terminology. It sounds like it has something to do with parts of an airplane breaking off at excessive speeds and stress loads. I was thinking that could have been the cause of some pieces of debris found seven miles from the crash site. It's important to keep in mind that an aircraft flying at 480 mph covers eight miles per minute, so seven miles away is only about a minute of flight time.

410 posted on 12/28/2004 1:57:36 PM PST by defenderSD (The number of people who lie about space aliens for $ far exceeds the number of aliens on earth.)
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To: defenderSD
VNE = VNE, or never-exceed airspeed. Past VNE, the airplane starts falling apart.
411 posted on 12/28/2004 1:59:05 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: MindBender26
Do you mean to tell me the press is not always objective and is just looking to print the first quote from anybody? I'm shocked, apalled, and speechless....

/sarcasm off

412 posted on 12/28/2004 2:00:00 PM PST by defenderSD (The number of people who lie about space aliens for $ far exceeds the number of aliens on earth.)
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