Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane 'shot down' in Pennsylvania
WorldNet Daily ^ | December 27, 2004

Posted on 12/27/2004 1:21:09 AM PST by Stoat

Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane
'shot down' in Pennsylvania

During surprise Christmas Eve trip, defense secretary contradicts official story

Posted: December 27, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

 


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, there have been questions about Flight 93, the ill-fated plane that crashed in the rural fields of Pennsylvania.

The official story has been that passengers on the United Airlines flight rushed the hijackers in an effort to prevent them from crashing the plane into a strategic target – possibly the U.S. Capitol.

During his surprise Christmas Eve trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld referred to the flight being shot down – long a suspicion because of the danger the flight posed to Washington landmarks and population centers.

 

Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy of the terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000?

 


Donald Rumsfeld

Here's what Rumsfeld said Friday: "I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."

Several eyewitnesses to the crash claim they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed – prompting the once-unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane.

Although the onboard struggle between hijackers and passengers – immortalized by the courageous "Let's roll" call to action by Todd Beamer – became one of the enduring memories of that disastrous day, the actual cause of Flight 93's crash, of the four hijacked jumbo jets, remains the most unclear.

Several residents in and around Shanksville, Pa., describing the crash as they saw it, claim to have seen a second plane – an unmarked military-style jet.

Well-founded uncertainly as to just what happened to Flight 93 is nothing new. Just three days after the worst terrorist attack in American history, on Sept. 14, 2001, The (Bergen County, N.J.) Record newspaper reported that five eyewitnesses reported seeing a second plane at the Flight 93 crash site.

That same day, reported the Record, FBI Special Agent William Crowley said investigators could not rule out that a second plane was nearby during the crash. He later said he had misspoken, dismissing rumors that a U.S. military jet had intercepted the plane before it could strike a target in Washington, D.C.

Although government officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, they were informed the flight was suspected of having been hijacked at 9:16 am, fully 50 minutes before the plane came down.

On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.

Vice President Cheney: "Well, the – I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft."

NBC's Tim Russert: "And you decided?"

Cheney: "We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time ...

"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate."

Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?"

Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?

"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York.'"



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; beeberinablackcopter; blackhelicopters; copterwithnomarkings; farahisanidiot; farahtotaldramaqueen; flight93; icanseeyourbeeber; loonytunes; muchadoaboutnothing; nutters; pennsylvania; rumsfeld; slipoftongue; tinfoilhat; tinfoilnotthickenuff; worldnutdaily; worldtinfoildaily
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 341-360361-380381-400401-413 last
To: Dark Glasses and Corncob Pipe

Good thing he didn't try to do a barrel roll/dive into the ground combo- he wouldn't get to do it twice in succession.


401 posted on 12/28/2004 1:23:58 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 364 | View Replies]

To: Admin Moderator

ROFL!


402 posted on 12/28/2004 2:12:25 AM PST by bd476
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 385 | View Replies]

Comment #403 Removed by Moderator

Comment #404 Removed by Moderator

To: AntiGuv
The a/c was not shot down. There is no evidence that it was and there is plenty of multi source data that it was not.


100 years ago, people pitied the village idiot.

Then TV news pointed a camera at him and made him a celebrity

Now, he has a keyboard and lots of bandwidth.
405 posted on 12/28/2004 5:49:09 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 396 | View Replies]

To: Stoat
Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?"

Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?

"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York.'"

I think Dick Cheney's explanation is very clear. What else does their need to be said.

Whatever people want to say, they'll say. People can't refute that the passengers did revolt against terrorists. People can't refute that loved ones have told stories of bravery from these passengers.

It seems that some of this effort is less about questioning whether the President (his administration, military, etc.) must make these kind of gut-wrenching decisions, but about tarnishing the memory of these people. It seems that the left wants to break down the "myth" that these people did one of the bravest things any person can do for another: sacrifice themselves so that others don't die.

The left understands the power of belief; in fact, they are fighting against that everyday of their lives (more especially during the recent holidays). They understand that if they can't ruin the beliefs and feelings that we have over these issues, then they can more effectively combat these references.

And, again, it is yet another example of the left using national tragedy for 1) the detriment of their political opponents and/or 2) the advancement of their own political agenda. Period.

406 posted on 12/28/2004 5:52:55 AM PST by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MindBender26
The a/c was not shot down. There is no evidence that it was and there is plenty of multi source data that it was not.

There is plenty of data that appear to be conclusive that debris was found too far from the crash site to have "bounced" that far.

As for pitying the village idiot, what do you have to say about such routine and offhand lies as Tommy Thompsons lies about the anthrax attacks? "Drank from a stream" my ass.

Had they been just a shade less outre, you would be just as derisive of anyone questioning Tommy Thompson's lies now as you are of those who think something other than the official story happened on flight 93.

Governments lie. They lie reflexively. They lie routinely when it comes to successful sabotage attacks. They lie to prop up financial markets and morale. They lie to keep people from "panicing" - which, in governments' view is any behavior inconvenient to the government.

407 posted on 12/28/2004 8:58:34 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 405 | View Replies]

To: eno_
Sorry, but you are wong on many counts.

A/C was one large smoking hole in the ground, with a few pieces entirely consistent with midair VNE overspeed separation.

Of course governments lie, as do people and companies. I have no problem with them lying regarding military operations, etc. The modern "the public must know, RIGHT NOW" is foolish. It simply all too often gives away information that ends up costing lives.

As a retired reporter, I all all to familiar with the reporters' quest for a quote, any quote, right or wrong, as long as it is first.
408 posted on 12/28/2004 9:17:42 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 407 | View Replies]

To: MindBender26

And Tommy Thompson's lies helped... how?


409 posted on 12/28/2004 9:44:12 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 408 | View Replies]

To: MindBender26
"VNE overspeed separation..."

What is the meaning of this terminology. It sounds like it has something to do with parts of an airplane breaking off at excessive speeds and stress loads. I was thinking that could have been the cause of some pieces of debris found seven miles from the crash site. It's important to keep in mind that an aircraft flying at 480 mph covers eight miles per minute, so seven miles away is only about a minute of flight time.

410 posted on 12/28/2004 1:57:36 PM PST by defenderSD (The number of people who lie about space aliens for $ far exceeds the number of aliens on earth.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 408 | View Replies]

To: defenderSD
VNE = VNE, or never-exceed airspeed. Past VNE, the airplane starts falling apart.
411 posted on 12/28/2004 1:59:05 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 410 | View Replies]

To: MindBender26
Do you mean to tell me the press is not always objective and is just looking to print the first quote from anybody? I'm shocked, apalled, and speechless....

/sarcasm off

412 posted on 12/28/2004 2:00:00 PM PST by defenderSD (The number of people who lie about space aliens for $ far exceeds the number of aliens on earth.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 408 | View Replies]

Comment #413 Removed by Moderator


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 341-360361-380381-400401-413 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson