Posted on 12/26/2004 1:20:04 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
President Bush says he wants to revamp an immigration system that is "not working" and is "not compassionate" through a program that can't work and would be anything but "compassionate" to Americans forced to pick up the tab.
During his end-of-the-year news conference, the president formally revived his expanded "guest worker" proposal first laid out as a set of "principles" a year ago. But the Bush plan is quite unprincipled and, by any other name, another in a long line of amnesty programs. Bush confidante and former Montana Gov. Mark Raciot disputed that characterization to me during the fall campaign. But that's exactly what it is. And it will do what amnesty programs do best - fail.
Details of the president's plan go to Capitol Hill next month. Mr. Bush wants to allow illegal aliens - up to 8 million if not more - to hold jobs here "legally" by issuing "temporary worker cards." American workers would not be hurt, the president insists; these legalized illegals would fill jobs that U.S. firms supposedly can't fill.
Not only will the administration proposal "take the pressure off" Border Patrol agents who should be "chasing crooks and thieves and drug runners and terrorists," the president said these illegals are innocuous, "good-hearted people." All they want to do is "put food on the table...Family values do not stop at the Rio Grande River."
But apparently common sense does.
(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...
PING to Marine Inspectors post:
>"They do have what is called the Mexican government's National Migration Institute that encourages and help's Mexican's leave Mexico."<
That's true. I read today of a robotic tomato picker, which could probably do peppers, eggplant, etc, and with modification most fruits. Introduction of such technology would dry up the market for cheap labor, and with a guest worker program, lead to fewer guest workers. It might not however stop a flood of illegal immigrants, at least not as quickly, since the coyotes would still be telling them there was work (or freebies, take your pick) in America. In the part of the country that I'm currently visiting, the illegals don't do much farm work anyway, that's all done by machines, but they do work in such industries as meat packing. But then so do many formerly inner city blacks.
My basic point is still that a guest worker program would allow much tighter regulation than the free for all we currently have. This could include making the "Guests" pay for their own and their childrens schooling and health care, at least in part. Of course many American in the inner cities don't pay for their health care or even housing, either, and they don't work a lick.
The US border is so long, and in places quite rugged, that it's virtually unblock-able, at least as far as small group of "infiltratiors" is concerned. That includes the northern one of course, which seems to be the preferred route for those from somewhat farther away than Mexico or points south. You know, the sort who may secretly be working to blow you up.
I agree, but a simple guest worker program will only make things worst.
Don't count on it.
What do you sugest?
sugest is newspeak for suggest.
Sam, You are absolutely correct. The majority of Americans are opposed to open borders. I read a lot about Soc. Sec., jobs Americans won't do, etc. but very rarely is it mentioned that our culture is also being destroyed.
These uneducated and unskilled alien illegals have no more concern for our Constitution, language, and culture than Ayatollah Khomenni (sp.?). I say bag em ship them back.
good points.
gotta run, thanks for the conversation...
Regards
American sovereignty DOES stop at the Rio Grande, Mr. Bush.
This should be impeachable.
Throw in our technology and knowhow flowing to developing countries and you've got "free trade." Different from decades-old and good, free trade with developed countries.
I oppose "guest worker". IMO it's about globalization and migrant "cheap" labor in the manner that "free trade" redistribution of technology, knowhow, and wealth to developing nations works.
It is about "raising their boats." It is a developing country's economic diaspora. It is worldwide. Just as there is a WTO there will be a WMO. The WMO would set the rules just as the WTO does -- and one of the rules will be: the source country gets to tax the incomes of their "citizens beyond borders" while the host country gets the benefits of "cheap" labor.
Very true.
More and more neighborhoods are being turned into Tijuana del norte. Not a pretty sight.
Junky cars being driven just like down south. Just keep it running no matter what it looks like.
Many of the gardners and other workers are just here to make some money and get free services and don't really care to "live in America like Americans". They just come to take then go home.
Someday the Coastal Commission will be vaporized.
Oh boy, better notify Jim Robinson and the adminmoderator and get this thread pulled!!
It sure is. And coming soon to this thread! Stupid Liberal Tricks, the Movie re-released after all these years.
. I had a bit part. I was in a crowd of blue-collar Goldwater conservatives that was being stoned by a mob of the Anointed Ones.
If you opposed the liberal, MSM, academia, civil rights groups push to move all power into the hands of government employees in Washington you were a racist.
I remember the dialog. Mentioning "states' rights" and "law and order" got you roundly condemned for wanting to keep segregation, ghetto merchants cheating minorities and favoring police brutality against minorities.
Yes, the Anointed Ones knew. They knew what you really meant when you expressed your concerns about too much power in Washington and riots in the cities. Yes, sir. They knew. They knew all. You were KKK, that's what. You couldn't hide anything from them! Hee. Hee.
They're ba-a-a-a-ack. And they got more help.
Good screen name, Arch.
H.R.3534
That was introduced in the House on 11/19/2003.
It probable has no chance of passing due to the fact that it was introduced and by Tancredo, whom as you probably know, is not liked by the current administration.
It is probably the best bill out there. If Hilary introduced it, I would still back it.
It address almost all of the major flaws that need to be addressed, if we are to get any type of viable guest worker program going.
The Buchananite kooks are running crazy. It is a natural thing to happen to the kooks, they will only get more lunatic with time.
Is it reasonable to assume that most ILLEGAL aliens get employment "on the books" using phony / stolen SSNs? At least there are surely large numbers of them.
I remain fascinated by the SSA's Earnings Suspense File (ESF). There are many years' data and somewhere around 250 million earnings documents in the file. The file has been used to reconstruct the earnings history once an ILLEGAL has a valid SSN.
Personally I am no longer concerned about the ILLEGAL immigrants' disrespect for our laws and sovereignty including document fraud. The blame lies elsewhere a little googling shows me.
IMO for at least two decades our greedy political and business hacks invited the ILLEGAL aliens with the promise, "Come, work hard and work cheap and we will not enforce our laws. You will be safe."
Now things are out of hand but IMO the President's fix is wrong.
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