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1 posted on 12/26/2004 4:34:01 AM PST by tom paine 2
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Yeah, attack the corporations that keep our economy going, thats the ticket! </sarcasm off>


2 posted on 12/26/2004 4:53:28 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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the progressive populists who most often have the backing of the American people

Preach it, Brother! Let's all read up on Das Kapital, re-energizing the Democrats with the spirit of class warfare will definitely help this country move in the Right direction!

3 posted on 12/26/2004 4:55:10 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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Keep it up! Keep moving left. It will split the party into fragments, not into two pieces but many, since the left is really many fragments, not one.


4 posted on 12/26/2004 4:55:47 AM PST by KeyWest
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Up is down, left is right, night is day. I have neither the time nor inclination to find how this guy fellated his numbers, or how the pollster he quotes massaged their questions.


5 posted on 12/26/2004 4:56:33 AM PST by sinanju
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But really, who is pushing a rigid dogma: these bankrolled politicians who have hijacked "centrism" to sell out America's middle class, or the progressive populists who most often have the backing of the American people?

Another wacky liberal who tries to hide behind 'progressive.' He's right, though. Dems should move left, the lefter the better because that's what (he says) the people want...both of them.

7 posted on 12/26/2004 5:07:56 AM PST by Rudder
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I guess if you go far enough left, everything is right, huh?


8 posted on 12/26/2004 5:10:27 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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...while allowing the DLC to parrot GOP criticism of populist Democrats as far-left extremists.

Well, economically speaking, populism is indeed "far-left." Even social conservatives swing hard to the left in their populist verbal sewage.


10 posted on 12/26/2004 5:17:13 AM PST by rdb3 (Can I join the Pajamahadeen even if I sleep in the nude?)
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But if you believe the Washington Post...

LOL!

11 posted on 12/26/2004 5:21:26 AM PST by Jeff F
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If you are a political party official or an politician concerned about actually winning elections, these polls are worthless. First, you need to look at only likely voters. If you don't vote you don't win (or lose) elections.

My favorite was the line that almost 2/3's of Americans support a single payer plan "thats run by government and financed by taxpayers".

HillaryCare really helped the Democrats in '93 and '94, the first time the Democrats lost the majority in Congress for forty years.

Another reason these polls are worthless, is that up until the last couple months of an election campaign, all most people hear is the leftwing tripe of the MSM. Then people hear the free market message and that moves votes. After the election, its then back to the usual socialist nonsense.

13 posted on 12/26/2004 5:59:12 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Breaded and deep fried in peanut oil.)
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The newspaper's 2003 national poll found that almost two-thirds of Americans say they prefer a universal healthcare system "that's run by the government and financed by taxpayers"

Yes, socialized medicine, that's what two-thirds of Americans want. Maybe we could get experts from Europe to set it up for us.
14 posted on 12/26/2004 6:07:11 AM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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Despite this overwhelming evidence, Washington, DC, Democrats apparently have not gotten the message that their current definition of "centrism" is actually pulling the party further and further out of the mainstream.


I thought this was scrapleface.
Are these loons serious?
15 posted on 12/26/2004 6:11:08 AM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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"Worse, the mainstream media follow suit, characterizing progressive positions on everything from trade to healthcare to taxes as ultra-liberal."

Interesting how the author characterizes the MSM above, but in the rest of his article, he authors the following quotes in support of his thesis:

---In March 2004, for example, a Washington Post poll found

---A 2002 Washington Post poll

---Yet a September 2004 CBS News poll found

---A March 2004 AP poll,

Make up your mind. Is the MSM with ya' or agin ya'.

16 posted on 12/26/2004 6:53:30 AM PST by tahiti
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There are more forces pushing the 'rats left than right.


19 posted on 12/26/2004 7:19:48 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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I think they will either hold or go left.They see the last election as value oriented so instead of changing their views they will twist values to fit their purpose. Can you believe with their near monopoly on mainstream media they still claim they couldn't get their message out!


20 posted on 12/26/2004 7:23:49 AM PST by alienken (Bumper sticker idea- We have God in heaven & a Texan in the whitehouse,LIFE IS GOOD!!)
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What a boatload of ca-ca. The author quoted the WaPo and CBS polls to support his claim. Neither the WaPo nor CBS are noted icons of objectivity and both are mouthpieces for the Democrat Party.


22 posted on 12/26/2004 8:21:49 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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