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To: Critto
No sympathy.

Pinochet was a fascist, pure and simple, who used summary executions to try to maintain law and order in Chile.

I don't care if, because he fought leftists, you like him. He was an indefensible bastard.

Supporting him is sort of like supporting Adolf Hitler because he fought against the Communists.

15 posted on 12/25/2004 11:22:53 AM PST by jude24 ("To go against conscience is neither right nor safe." - Martin Luther)
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To: jude24
No sympathy. Pinochet was a fascist, pure and simple, who used summary executions to try to maintain law and order in Chile. I don't care if, because he fought leftists, you like him. He was an indefensible bastard. Supporting him is sort of like supporting Adolf Hitler because he fought against the Communists.

I think you are missing the point. The point is not support for Pinochet, the point is that you can't state truthful facts about Pinochet in what is supposed to be a neutral encyclopedia because partisans on the other side think that the truth makes Pinochet out to look better than they want.

I experienced the same thing there. You can't put in facts that detract from the underlying premises even if your intent is just to put in a fact (at least not without a huge freaking fight).

I understand that you don't like Pinochet, but I assume that you are not in favor of removing all facts regarding Pinochet that don't match your dislike. I hate Hitler, but I am not in favor of throwing his ideas on Volkswagen or autobahns down the memory hole just because they were moderately good concepts that he supported.

Encyclopedias are for facts, even if they don't support your own point of view.
19 posted on 12/25/2004 2:48:40 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: jude24
No sympathy.

Pinochet was a fascist, pure and simple, who used summary executions to try to maintain law and order in Chile.

I don't care if, because he fought leftists, you like him. He was an indefensible bastard.

Supporting him is sort of like supporting Adolf Hitler because he fought against the Communists.
What you say isn't exactly the truth. While probably 3000 people died under the rule of Pinochet, more than 2000 of them were Pinochet's soldiers and supporters, who were murdered by the leftist guerilla gangs. The remaining body count of 1000 could as well be the dead commie rebels, who were killed during the battles. The alleged "heinous crimes" of Pinochet, all those fairy tales (or rather, horror stories) about Pinochet's people cutting stomaches of women and putting them into the sea full of sharks are typical leftist propaganda BS. The communists did the same in the communist country. Just find some communist sources and read about the alleged "cruelty of capitalism and capitalists". It's the same pattern of lying. In fact, Pinochet has even *saved* lives, including those of communists. For example, one Spanish commie was set to be departed to Spain, a country ruled by Franco, who had already prepared the death sentence on that person. But Pinochet hasn't agreed for the deportation (and execution), and he put this communist in prison (for few years) instead, thus saving his life. To compare Pinochet with Hitler requires either tons of ill will, or the total stupidity, or just the willingness to joke. I hope it's the last case:) And besides, fascists and nazis were socialists, too. It was another form of collectivist tyranny against the individual. In Liberty, Critto
24 posted on 12/26/2004 5:03:30 AM PST by Critto
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