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No peace on Earth during unjust war (GREELEY ALERT)
Chicago Sun-Times ^
| December 24, 2004
| ANDREW GREELEY
Posted on 12/24/2004 7:00:22 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief
American-style freedom and democracy in Arab countries are hallucinations by men and women like Paul Wolfowitz and Condi Rice whose contribution to the war is writing long memos -- Republican intellectuals with pointy heads. Is that how you feel, Father Greeley? That Arabs are an inferior breed that can't grasp our high liberal ideals? How very enlightened.
Maybe you were happier letting the Iraqi people starve under the cruel sanctions and tyrannical oppression, Father. Maybe you slept better at night letting children in poverty wither and die under our 'peaceful containment' policy. Maybe you'd be happier to let those people perish rather than let them be saved by the force of arms, because that runs counter to your personal beliefs.
Maybe you're just a sadistic, socialist dilletante. I don't really care which it is. You're opinion is noted, and you can work out the merits of said opinion with the Almighty.
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posted on
12/24/2004 8:37:46 AM PST
by
Steel Wolf
(Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
To: Chi-townChief
Father Greeley does make one essential point. If freedom is a fantasy in the middle east, believed in only by Wolfowitz, then what we are doing now is futile. Is it patronizing to the inhabitants of the middle east to believe that they will forever be ruled by petty tyrants or can we turn it around? Should we try?
BTW, I would hate to go to confession with Greeley. He is so judgmental.
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posted on
12/24/2004 8:50:42 AM PST
by
Shisan
(.)
To: dighton
perhaps not defroked but definitly a disgrace.
80 people dead, mass graves, a dictator who unquestioningly was preparing to build an a-bomb to kill americans, and giving comfort to all the enemies of the USA is no just to this crackpot.
Just put him next to moore in the looney left club.
False witness is a grave sin As is violating the Sixth Commandment, Andy. Wonder if you've ever confessed that sin.
To: St.Chuck
"All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke
To: Chi-townChief
Is there peace on earth during a just war?
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posted on
12/24/2004 9:44:19 AM PST
by
woofie
To: Chi-townChief
Where was Greeley when Saddamn was slaughtering his fellow human beings by the hundreds of thousands?
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posted on
12/24/2004 9:45:43 AM PST
by
mewzilla
To: Chi-townChief
"All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke"All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to simplify complex issues and events to a platitude; mere action is no substitute for prudence and moral virtue." -St. Chuck
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posted on
12/24/2004 10:53:20 AM PST
by
St.Chuck
(Induimini Dominum Iesum Christum)
To: Chi-townChief
"In fact, the war into which they tricked us has become a quagmire, 130,000 American troops are at the mercy of perhaps 5,000 true-believer guerrillas and an Iraqi population that doesn't like Americans any more than it liked Saddam Hussein. It is a war in which there is no possibility of victory -- whether it ends in June 2005 or June 2010, whether there are 2,000 American battle deaths or 50,000, whether there are 10,000 wounded Americans or 500,000, whether those with post-traumatic stress are 10 percent of the returning troops or 30 percent."Greeley just doesn't get it. Were these 130,000 soldiers not in Iraq . . . we would be fighting the "5,000 true-believer guerrillas" on American streets.
I don't particularly care if this war ends in 2005 or 2010 or 2999 . . . OR if there are 2,000 or 50,000 American battle deaths . . . OR if there are 10,000 or 500,000 wounded Americans . . . it takes no General Patton-like military background to see it's best to fight in your enemy's sandbox rather than your own. American and Israeli buses would be blowing up. Blood would be flowing in American gutters . . . every day, every hour, and every minute of every day.
Our enemies have made the choice for us . . . kill or be killed, there is no middle ground with Islamic terrorists.
THAT is why I staunchly support this war -- the decision to fight the war was made by our enemies, they declared the war and fired the first shots . . . we only had a choice as to where the war would be fought. History will prove us conservatives right . . . President Bush will be remembered as a great President and as Churchill said . . . "This will be our finest hour."
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posted on
12/24/2004 11:33:04 AM PST
by
geedee
(History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.)
To: Chi-townChief
Well said. I can't think anything to add to that except how vile of him to air this rant, as the Catholic priest poser that he is, on Christmas Eve. And I wonder if he is as concerned about the good people of Sudan who have suffered for more than a decade under the slaughter, oppression, tyranny, and outright genocide by the militant rebels fueled by the Islamo-fascists. A war directed specifically at the peaceful predominantly Christian South Sudanese. Hmmmm. Oh, wait, nothing from him for 10 years on that? No, Mr. Greeley is only concerned with leftist, commie concerns.
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posted on
12/24/2004 11:46:01 AM PST
by
fortunecookie
(My grandparents didn't flee communism so that I could live in Kerry's Kommune - and I won't have to.)
To: Chi-townChief
Sheesh! This piece of junk article makes me angry.
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posted on
12/24/2004 10:53:49 PM PST
by
ladyinred
(Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
To: ladyinred
Not tonight, lady; Merry Christmas!
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posted on
12/24/2004 10:56:40 PM PST
by
Howlin
(Annoy a liberal; tell everybody you see Merry Christmas!)
To: dennisw
James Webb was secretary of the Navy during the Reagan administration, and a Marine platoon and company commander in Vietnam. He also is an author and filmmaker. Posted 2/18/2004 8:03 PM USA TODAY
Bush arguably has committed the greatest strategic blunder in modern memory. To put it bluntly, he attacked the wrong target. While he boasts of removing Saddam Hussein from power, he did far more than that. He decapitated the government of a country that was not directly threatening the United States and, in so doing, bogged down a huge percentage of our military in a region that never has known peace. Our military is being forced to trade away its maneuverability in the wider war against terrorism while being placed on the defensive in a single country that never will fully accept its presence.
There is no historical precedent for taking such action when our country was not being directly threatened. The reckless course that Bush and his advisers have set will affect the economic and military energy of our nation for decades. It is only the tactical competence of our military that, to this point, has protected him from the harsh judgment that he deserves.
At the same time, those around Bush, many of whom came of age during Vietnam and almost none of whom served, have attempted to assassinate the character and insult the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with them. Some have impugned the culture, history and integrity of entire nations, particularly in Europe, that have been our country's great friends for generations and, in some cases, for centuries.
Bush has yet to fire a single person responsible for this strategy. Nor has he reined in those who have made irresponsible comments while claiming to represent his administration. One only can conclude that he agrees with both their methods and their message.
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posted on
12/25/2004 3:05:29 AM PST
by
piniella
To: Chi-townChief
One must support the troops, I am told. I certainly support the troops the best way possible: Bring them home, get them out of a war... You contradict yourself.
Note: Some conservative Catholics -- Republicans, I assume -- are spreading the word on the Internet that I am an ''unfrocked'' (sic) priest. That is false witness. I am and have been for 50 years a priest in good standing of the Archdiocese of Chicago. Call (312) 751-8220 if you don't believe me.
We can't help we have a coward for a cardinal.
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posted on
12/25/2004 4:09:44 AM PST
by
BlessedBeGod
(George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
To: Chi-townChief
BTW, I Googled "Andrew Greeley" and unfrocked and only found one article -- one in which it did not say he was unfrocked.
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posted on
12/25/2004 4:10:56 AM PST
by
BlessedBeGod
(George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
To: piniella; dennisw
So Mr. Webb is really not one of the smarter guys you'd want to meet, is he?
Merry Christmas !!!
To: Chi-townChief
Hmm, Father Greeley neglected to mention his obvious belief that Arabs and Iraqis in particular are incapable of running a democracy. Surely this is racist thinking. Surely hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were worth saving from that madman Hussein. Surely they're worth a candle. (Evidently not.)
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posted on
12/25/2004 5:33:36 AM PST
by
hershey
To: Chi-townChief
He should be drug through the streets till skinned.
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posted on
12/25/2004 5:36:37 AM PST
by
bert
(Don't Panic.....)
To: Chi-townChief
So who did James Webb vote for? The vegetarian or libertarian candidate? The ChiComs are on Iran like white on rice. Nature abhors a vacuum and where we fear to tread the ChiComs will rush in. As long as we want Mid East oil we will be engaged there.
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posted on
12/25/2004 6:24:46 AM PST
by
dennisw
(Help put the "Ch" back in Chanukah)
To: piniella
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posted on
12/25/2004 6:25:48 AM PST
by
dennisw
(Help put the "Ch" back in Chanukah)
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