1 posted on
12/23/2004 8:40:52 AM PST by
1066AD
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To: 1066AD
"I dream of a day when 5 or 6 major cities will have total control over who becomes the US president. The voters in about 45 states will have no say in the matter! Those ignorant rubes don't deserve to vote at all! Now ... all I have to do is convince two-thirds of those god-forsaken states to vote for a Constitutional Amendment that will drastically reduce their own political relevance .... hmmmmmm ... how can I do that? Maybe Hillary has an idea ..."
30 posted on
12/23/2004 8:48:53 AM PST by
ClearCase_guy
(The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
To: 1066AD
She's proposing it because she knows if a California Constitutional amendment passes, dividing up the electoral votes between vote-getters, then California will become even more irrelevant in Presidential elections, and that Republican dominance of the White House will last for decades, until another sea change in American and California politics.
31 posted on
12/23/2004 8:49:06 AM PST by
tom h
To: 1066AD
Smells like old crusty is giving orders again. '08 starts now.
To: 1066AD
Popular election of the president is not a new idea. It was proposed in its simplest form by James Wilson, one of the lesser known delegates from Pennsylvania, at the Constitutional Convention of 1787. His argument was that, inasmuch as the presidency was a national office, it should be chosen by popular vote regardless of state. Neither the Nationalists nor the States' Men were receptive to the argument, and it went nowhere.
The recipe for electing the president was cobbled together in the final days of the Convention. Nobody was satisfied with it, but it was the best the combined minds of the Convention could come up with.
In December 1829, Andrew Jackson, in his annual message to Congress, argued in favor of a constitutional amendment to elect the president by popular vote. Jackson argued that we were no longer a republic, but a democracy, and the Constitution needed to be updated to reflect that fact. (He also proposed direct election of senators.) Jackson's idea was too far out in front of the public, and it went nowhere.
After the close call in 1968, several plans were brought forward. One was a revival of Jackson's 1829 suggestion. The other, proposed by Republican senators Everett Dirksen of Illinois and Karl Mundt of South Dakota, suggested granting each congressional district one electoral vote and each state two electoral votes.
Both ideas continued to gather adherents in the Seventies, but then the momentum went out of the movement.
Maine and Nebraska, however, decided to follow the Dirksen-Mundt idea on their own. Both states assign electoral votes by congressional district and assign two votes to the state in general.
33 posted on
12/23/2004 8:49:21 AM PST by
Publius
To: 1066AD
This ought to keep her busy for a while.
Is she actually clueless enough to believe that she could actually succeed in this dopey impossible quest, or is she just fundraising?
35 posted on
12/23/2004 8:50:02 AM PST by
dead
(I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
To: 1066AD
Well, you know that only Californians and New Yorkers know best who should be president. We can't leave it up to those pickup driving animal-killers in the Midwest and the South.
< /sarcasm >
To: 1066AD
This lady is sitting in congress and she doesn't even know what form of government we have! Democracy?? Not on your life, lady. She needs to resign immediately and go home. She's too ingnorant to serve the public. People elected her?
To: 1066AD
She'll get 37 states when Bill goes a year being faithful to Hillary...I think we are safe.
41 posted on
12/23/2004 8:53:12 AM PST by
Keith
(NOW, MORE THAN EVER....IT'S ABOUT THE JUDGES!)
To: 1066AD
Ummmm . . .doncha need 36 states to ratify any Amendment to the Constitution? Can you see, Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas and other less populous states voting for the change? I think not.
This will go the way of the ERA.
50 posted on
12/23/2004 8:54:27 AM PST by
misharu
To: 1066AD
So Fienstein hates America.
Wants to see it ruled by the urban mobs (placated only by a steady supply of 'bread and circuses').
No surprise I guess.
52 posted on
12/23/2004 8:54:42 AM PST by
BenLurkin
(Big government is still a big problem.)
To: 1066AD
She truly is an idiot. I'm sure the west and south will line up to give away their electoral power.
To: 1066AD
over 10,000 amendments to the constitution has been proposed in our over 230 year of existence........only 27 have made it all the way...............this will never happen.....
58 posted on
12/23/2004 8:58:45 AM PST by
joe fonebone
(We won.......time to do it OUR way!)
To: 1066AD
Besides the fact that we are a republic and not a democracy, the Electoral College is one of the few brakes on RAT fraud. Can you imagine the vote numbers the Rats would produce out of NYC, LA, Philadelphia & Detroit, if they simply had to produce a popular vote majority.
To: 1066AD
Washington -- Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Wednesday that when Congress returns in January, she will propose a constitutional amendment to abolish the Electoral College and replace it with a one-person, one-vote system for electing the nation's president and vice president. As Sponge Bob said, in his recent movie, "Good Luck with that". About as good a chance as getting abortion out of the democratic party plank.
60 posted on
12/23/2004 8:59:14 AM PST by
sr4402
To: 1066AD; davidosborne
Below is the reason that the ChiCom Manchurian Senator, DiFi wants the electoral college eliminate. If we went to a popular vote, the Rat cities like LA, Gay Frisco, Chicago, and NY City would vote the dead and illegal aliens until the Rats would win. Just like Seattle/King county has done to win the governor election in Washington.
ChiFi DiFi do us a favor! Retire and leave us alone.
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62 posted on
12/23/2004 9:00:17 AM PST by
Grampa Dave
(Rummy Phobia is the new mental disorder of the left. It is similiar to Hate GW Syndrome!)
To: 1066AD
Abolishing the Electoral College. Of course. This is the
only way to prevent future DemonRat gaffes such as...
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To: 1066AD
"the time has come to bring our democracy into the 21st century," Feinstein said "I've seen how 21st Century democracy works, Senator: in Florida in 2000, in Washington State right now.
I don't want any part of it.
66 posted on
12/23/2004 9:02:05 AM PST by
Redbob
To: 1066AD
Senator! You are out of your mind. In this current climate today, the states nor congress will never pass your purposed amendment. No state, is going to cut their own throat, except for those in the blue.
69 posted on
12/23/2004 9:02:49 AM PST by
kimber
(Fight for the Right to Bear Arms!)
To: 1066AD
This woman is a United States senator and is SO F@cking Stupid to not even have a clue that we are a Representative Democracy and not a "true" Democracy.... in order for stupid, insipid cows like her to not have their rights decimated by a majority.
Will somebody send her a sock and instructions on how to stuff it in her cake-hole.
maybe she should worry about really really really important stuff like.... global warming or maybe ..... population control in California.. with so many people on the San Andreas Fault the shear weight is causing California to slip into the ocean... thereby endangering the delicate ecosystem of the Pacific Ocean...
What a corpulent, bovine, ignorant user of oxygen... aaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!! (I'm all better now)
70 posted on
12/23/2004 9:03:26 AM PST by
Dick Vomer
(liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
To: 1066AD
The two California lawmakers say the current system makes most Americans election bystanders, pointing toward the recent campaign in which President Bush and his Democratic rival, Sen. John Kerry, focused almost all their time, energy and campaign funds on a handful of undecided states in search of their electoral votes.
If it weren't for the EC, candidates would campaign in 2-3 cities (NY City, LA, Chicago) and ignore the rest of the nation. Taxes would flow exclusively to those few cities. The EC gives the rest of the nation a voice.
![gitmo](http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/133/133192/pages/316580/bulldog.gif)
76 posted on
12/23/2004 9:07:14 AM PST by
gitmo
(Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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