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To: Ernie.cal
Sorry for the late reply, I was looking over threads with the ZOT keyword and ran across this.

GAY BROTHERS: How many gay brothers do you suppose there are in our country? If they ALL decided to marry, what adverse consequence do you anticipate occurring?

A lot of lonely sisters in West Virginia & Arkansas.

ADOPTIONS: If a gay couple provides a loving, caring, nurturing home -- why is that a problem for you?

Two words: Michael Jackson.

INSURANCE and RETIREMENT: Won't the gay enrollee pay the same premium or costs involved as a straight enrollee?

Not with the cost of AIDS treatments, etc. which will likely be spread over all insurance customers--making the gay man pay premiums high enough to pay for estimated health expenses would be "discriminatory", you know.

MILITARY: If your hypothetical two gay soldiers married, why would their marriage be more troublesome than a straight couple in the military who marry?

Gay marriages seem to last a far shorter time than straight marriages (notice some of the gay couples in MA and CA who were married in the summer are ALREADY divorcing) and the resultant upheaval could be detrimental to unit cohesion.

Not to mention the promiscuity of homosexuals and resultant blood-borne diseases such as AIDS and hepatitis, not to mention tuberculosis in immunocompromised individuals...all of these pose a number of health risks for people who may be required to donate blood and / or live in close proximity.

And before you troll back, recall that one can have and transmit HIV before antibodies show up in the blood.

MONKEY: Any monkey you know asking to marry a human or vice versa?

Read up on Professor Peter Singer at Princeton, who advocates "doggie style" in more ways than one...

524 posted on 12/25/2004 11:07:50 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Grey---your responses don't seem pertinent to me.

ADOPTION: First, Michael Jackson hasn't been convicted of anything. Second, he is not representative of anything "typical" of either gay or straight marriages. Third, there are always going to be sensational violations to whatever rules or laws we develop---but the question is should we dwell on those and consider them normative?

If you genuinely think that a gay man or woman (or bisexual) cannot provide a loving, caring, nurturing home that produces happy, well-adjusted, successful children ---then please cite some actual studies on the matter. Gays have been raising children for centuries so, surely, you have some specifics to cite by now!

COST OF AIDS TREATMENTS: Is it your position that recipients of expensive medical treatments should pay higher health premiums than other enrollees in HMO's or other health plans? So, for example, we should penalize heart disease patients and everyone who requires expensive medications for long periods of time or expensive corrective procedures?

GAY MARRIAGES: "Seem to last a far shorter time" --- upon what evidence do you base that statement? Have you ever done serious research into longevity of gay relationships or are you selecting one or two newspaper articles and proposing that those articles represent the whole truth of the matter? Should I use Britney Spears 55-hour marriage as "proof" of the instability of straight marriages? Besides, as I have previously mentioned, the only fair way to examine such a question would be to review available data after a decade or two when gay marriages are permitted.

Finally, I would like to thank everyone for posting their comments on this topic. I have learned several things from opponents that I had not previously considered on this issue. I especially want to thank the persons who attempted to seriously engage in discussion as opposed to merely spewing bile and venom while claiming to be Christians.

Honorable men and women can disagree about all sorts of controversial issues. I would like to think that the American Family can do so in an amicable, civil manner. However, regretably, there are always persons who focus on establishing a hierarchy within society, i.e. they want to identify "deserving" versus "undeserving" persons so that they can perceive themselves as superior to other human beings.


528 posted on 12/27/2004 8:39:04 AM PST by Ernie.cal
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