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To: taxesareforever
"God declared that He would be the God of those who believed in Him just as He told Abraham. That is still in effect today. The Jews who do not believe in Christ are not in this covenant anymore than the unbeliever is. God's covenant is between Him and His people, and His people are Christians."

Exactly!

The jews broke the so-called covenant when they crucified and then later spurned Jesus Christ and His apostles. Jesus Christ made salvation available for everyone, including the jews, but there was no longer any special relationship for the people who rejected God and his Son. A new covenant was established between God and all who accepted the salvation of Christ. The Catholic catechism and most Protestant churchs persist in this view until now. The passages below are pertinent to this discussion.

For I could wish that I myself were accused and cut off for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen by race...
But it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel...
This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are reckoned as descendands...
And indeed he says in Hosea,
Those who were not my people I will call my people,

...and in the very place where it was said to them, "You are not my people, they will call them sons of the living God...
What then? Israel failed to obtain what it sought. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened. (Romans 9:1-3, 6-8, 24-26; Romans 11:7-8)


324 posted on 12/23/2004 3:06:19 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Baraonda; All

There's not a shred of Scripture which convincingly even hints, to me, that the Jews--Blood Israel from whatever tribe--have been written out, crossed out, excluded, canceled out of THE COVENENT ALMIGHTY GOD HAD AND HAS WITH ABRAHAM.

In a LOT of respects, it is a COVENANT WITH ABRAHAM regardless of his seed. As Christ said, God is well able to raise up rocks as blood children of Abraham.

But GOD MADE A PROMISE TO

HIS FRIEND.

HE does NOT break such promises.

That fact alone, for me, cancels out all the rubber Bible; rationalizations; doctrines of men; doctrines of demons etc. on the other side.


326 posted on 12/23/2004 3:52:29 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Baraonda
The jews broke the so-called covenant when they crucified and then later spurned Jesus Christ and His apostles.

It was WAY before this!

343 posted on 12/24/2004 6:04:48 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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