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To: MississippiMan

Christ fulfilled all of the Old Testament prophecies. He fulfilled the Old Testament laws.
God made a covenant with the Jews in the Old Testament. That covenant said that He would be their God if they served Him. The Jews broke that covenant when they rejected Jesus. That covenant has been given to all who come to faith in Jesus Christ.(John 8) The state of Israel is a non issue.
In your thinking, when does the division of believers and unbelievers take place (sheep and goats)(Matthew 25:31-46)?
There is nothing in the Gospels that even hints at a rapture.


279 posted on 12/23/2004 9:22:55 AM PST by taxesareforever
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To: taxesareforever

Taxes, God's covenant with Israel was UNCONDITIONAL, clearly signified by the fact that he put Abraham to sleep during the ritual, putting the onus completely on Himself.

It's obvious that this discussion is going nowhere, so we'll just have to disagree and leave it at that.

MM


280 posted on 12/23/2004 9:52:17 AM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: taxesareforever; All
There is nothing in the Gospels that even hints at a rapture.

If one has a "Bible" with gaping holes and missing verses, I don't know that we can have a meaningful discussion.

The Scriptures about the Ascension wherein the angels tell that in LIKE MANNER HE WILL RETURN is ample Scripture pointing to at least His 2nd Coming. But it could also refer to our being caught away and meeting Him in the air.

Christ's presentation in Matt 24 is also quite plausibly inclusive of the being caught up to meet Him event.

287 posted on 12/23/2004 10:19:11 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: taxesareforever

Actually, Daniel, Ezekiel, the shorter prophets etc. all have Scriptures which have not yet been fulfilled.

I'm sorry if your Bible is missing these passages. You might consider obtaining a more complete one.


288 posted on 12/23/2004 10:20:28 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: taxesareforever; All
Regarding your . . . . very curious notion (for a Believer) of a 'broken covenant:'

1) God never expected sinful flesh to be able to hold it's end of anything up very long. Why did Christ come and die on The Cross?

2) God's everlasting covenant with ABRAHAM was

(A) God's plan to bring about more manifested GLORY OF GOD before man THROUGH AND IN BEHALF OF HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE.

(B) God's Love, blessing, thanks, gifting TO ABRAHAM. In a LOT of respects, it was irrelevant what the seed of Abraham did--GOD WOULD STILL WORK IT OUT THAT HIS EVERLASTING PROMISE TO ABRAHAM WOULD BE FULFILLED. That's GOD'S NATURE. As He said, He is not a man that HE should lie.

3) I'm sorry your Bible is missing the following verses. Perhaps you could print them out and insert them:

Or perhaps you feel that God was lying when HE stated the following. If so, I'm very grieved about that.

Genesis 17:7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and your seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto you, and to your seed after you.

Genesis 17:13
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Genesis 17:19
Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. [ Isaac means he laughs . ] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.

1 Chronicles 16:17
He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree, to Israel as an everlasting covenant:

1 Chronicles 16:17
He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree, to Israel as an everlasting covenant:

1 Chronicles 16:36
Praise be to the LORD , the God of Israel, from everlasting to everlasting. Then all the people said "Amen" and "Praise the LORD ."

Psalm 103:17
But from everlasting to everlasting the LORD's love is with those who fear him, and his righteousness with their children's children-

Psalm 105:10
He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree, to Israel as an everlasting covenant:

Isaiah 45:17
But Israel will be saved by the LORD with an everlasting salvation; you will never be put to shame or disgraced, to ages everlasting.

Isaiah 54:8
In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you," says the LORD your Redeemer.

Isaiah 55:3
Give ear and come to me; hear me, that your soul may live. I will make an everlasting covenant with you, my faithful love promised to David.

Isaiah 55:13
Instead of the thornbush will grow the pine tree, and instead of briers the myrtle will grow. This will be for the LORD's renown, for an everlasting sign, which will not be destroyed."

[QUIX: Doesn't sound like something intangible, pie in the sky or only 'spirit' to me, AT ALL.]

Isaiah 60:15
"Although you have been forsaken and hated, with no one traveling through, I will make you the everlasting pride and the joy of all generations.

> [QUIX: This prophecy also has yet to be literally fulfilled. The wise anticipate it's fulfillment literally--in ISRAEL.]

Isaiah 60:19
The sun will no more be your light by day, nor will the brightness of the moon shine on you, for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory.

[QUIX: This fascinating prophecy also has yet to be fulfilled. Clearly HE IS TALKING ABOUT BOTH BLOOD ISRAEL AND THE GRAFTED IN. The FAITHFUL have utter confidence that God said what He meant and will fulfill it as He said it. EVIDENTLY there are to be some dramatic changes either before and after this Heaven and earth pass away.]

Isaiah 61:7
Instead of their shame my people will receive a double portion, and instead of disgrace they will rejoice in their inheritance; and so they will inherit a double portion in their land, and everlasting joy will be theirs.

[QUIX: I realize your Bible evidently translates it as they [ONLY the adopted in upstarts] will inherit [be graciously granted an unmerited] double portion [not rightfully given the nonBlood seed but magnanimously given via Christ's Blood and their acceptance thereof] in their land [DEFINITELY NOT IN THEIR *LAND*!!!--it's all some spirit metaphor for some spirit-only Heavenly only mumbo jumbo that only those allergic to God saying what He means and doing what He says really understand.]

[QUIX CONTINUED: I realize taxes, that your "Bible" must read something as the above. But I suggest you toss it out and get a more authentic one.]

Jeremiah 32:40
I will make an everlasting covenant with them [BLOOD ISRAEL!]: I will never stop doing good to them [BLOOD ISRAEL], and I will inspire them [BLOOD ISRAEL!!!] to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me.

[QUIX: Clearly God has YET to fulfill this prophecy. But there are many other Scriptures similar. imho No faith-filled, Spirit-led authentic Believer doubts GOD WILL FULFILL THAT PROPHECY LITERALLY TO THE LETTER.

Jeremiah 50:5
They will ask the way to Zion and turn their faces toward it. They will come and bind themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten.

[QUIX: This prophecy too, has yet to be fulfilled. IT WILL BE FULFILLED. Who is the they? It is AT LEAST Blood Israel. Nothing else comes close to making sense consistent with the context and language. Nor is THE WAY TO ZION remotely likely to be some etherial, intangible path.]

> "the people of Israel and the people of Judah together will go in tears to seek the LORD their God.

Ezekiel 16:60
Yet I will remember the covenant I made with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you.

Ezekiel 37:26
I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever.

[QUIX: I realize, taxes, that your 'Bible' would likely be worded quite differently in this passage. Or, perhaps you just don't believe it. Personally, I believe Father God when He declares that HE WILL make HIS SANCTUARY amongst the Blood seed of Abraham forever. I may not know precisely what that means--but it seems clear to me that it has a very literal, obvious, tangible reality yet to be manifested--but which we will likely see manifested in our lifetimes]

Daniel 7:27
Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms [QX: NOT 'the eternal pseudotangible figurative ground of our essential being projected upon the only and totally spiritual realm as collections of etherial pseudo entities pretending to be fiefdoms . . . etc. etc. and etc.' but KINGDOMS in some sense congruent with what we think of as KINGDOMS.] under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.'

[QX: Logically, at this future point, THE SAINTS consists of BOTH BLOOD ISRAEL AND CHRISTIANS--ALL WHO OUTSIDE THE BLOODLINE *ALSO* HAVE BY THEN ACCEPTED CHRIST AS SAVIOR AND LORD]

295 posted on 12/23/2004 12:32:15 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: taxesareforever
There is nothing in the Gospels that even hints at a rapture.

True... but there are a few more books in the NT.

333 posted on 12/24/2004 5:22:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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