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1 posted on 12/21/2004 11:49:02 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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Hey, Mel Odom's 3rd Apocalypse book is out. These books follow the Left Behind series.
202 posted on 12/22/2004 12:29:29 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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211 posted on 12/22/2004 3:29:20 PM PST by timestax
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"When will Jesus return?"

If he's asking about the guy who maintains my property, he'll be here Friday, if he's talking about Our Savior...when we least expect him.

214 posted on 12/22/2004 4:26:58 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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OK, this is going to sound weird, but I believe that everyone should live every day as though it's the day before the second coming. If you do that, there are no worries.


218 posted on 12/22/2004 4:59:23 PM PST by McGavin999 (Senate is trying to cover their A$$es with Rumsfeld hide)
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'But if that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son but the Father." Mark 13.32

This seems to be a clear enough as a warning that we should not speculate about when Christ's second coming will occur. Since early times, there have been thousands of predictions about the end but to date none have come about. Mark says that even Christ does not know when it will be. That it will eventually happen is a fact, but perhaps our time should be taken in preparation for His coming. I'm not ready. I doubt that anyone is. I think that when He does come, most of the world will be extremely surprised, especially the secularists and willful sinners.

219 posted on 12/22/2004 5:08:22 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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Later read.


233 posted on 12/22/2004 7:43:27 PM PST by OKSooner
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Second Coming Bump. Good article. Jesus rules.
238 posted on 12/22/2004 9:37:29 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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I am waiting for the Lords return. Merry Christmas to you JohnHuang2 and ALL my freeper friends.


240 posted on 12/22/2004 9:49:27 PM PST by Ditter
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The second coming of Christ was compared by a prophet of God to a slowly developing sunrise: "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings..." (Malachi 4:2, King James Version).

How the second coming of Christ will begin:

Scriptural statements about the second coming of Christ are fragmentary and scattered. I believe the best point to gather the various statements around is the proclamation of two angels at the Ascension of Jesus Christ into Heaven: "... this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven" (Acts 1:11). There are three accounts of the ascension, Mark 16:19, Luke 24:51, and Acts 1:9. By reading these in context, we are able to piece together what happened just prior to, during, and just after the Ascension. This is important since "in like manner" would take related happenings into account. Therefore, our study of the Ascension must be expanded to Mark 16:14-20, Luke 24:33-53, and Acts 1:1-14, at least. There is no discrepancy between the "as far as to Bethany" of Luke 24:50 and "returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet" of Acts 1:12, since Bethany was on the eastern slope of the Mount ofOlives.

There was a sequence of events leading up to the Ascension. There was a meeting in Jerusalem of church members including the eleven apostles at which Jesus appeared, rebuked them, ate a meal with them, and taught them. Then a portion of them, apparently the eleven apostles, were led by Jesus toward Bethany, apparently teaching them along the way. Then while the Ascension was happening, we have the statement by two angels that "in like manner" Jesus would return. Then those witnessing the Ascension returned to the gathering of church members in Jerusalem. Since certain phrases in translations are vague on details, it is good to read the accounts in several different translations, perhaps even looking at some of the Greek words involved.

Now obviously "in like manner" could not be a repeat of the sequence, but must be reversed in order to have Jesus returning. When we reverse the sequence, I get this result. Among Christian believers will be those expecting Christ's return. "And at midnight there was a cry made [I would guess by angels], Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him" (Matthew 25:6). Those able to quickly respond to this summons (Hebrews 9:28) may witness Jesus descending from a cloud. I would imagine that He will teach them. They would then carry their witness and tidings to larger groups of Christians, who would meet to discuss what is being claimed. Then confrontations would take place between Christ and those supposed to be doing his work on Earth (Malachi 3:1-5; Luke 12:35-48). The net result would be that the church would be cleansed and inspired to accomplish its final tasks before the thousand year reign of Christ begins.

I would also group Isaiah 52:10 with these events. "The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of God." I interpret "the eyes of the nations" as referring to those guided by the Holy Spirit, and who can thereby see the kingdom of God (see John 3:3).

Here are some scriptures concerning the earlier stages of our Lord's return:

Isaiah 59:19-20, King James Version:
"When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord."

Malachi 3:1-5, King James Version:
"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in; behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap; and he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness. Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord, as in the days of old, and as in former years. And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts."

Luke 12:35-48, Helen Montgomery's translation:
"Let your loins be girded about and your lamps burning; and be yourselves like men who are looking for their lord, on his return from a wedding-banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they may at once open the door for him. Happy are those slaves whom their master shall find watching when he comes. I tell you truly that he will gird himself, and make them sit down to meat, and come and serve them. And whether it be in the second watch, or in the third, that he comes, and so finds them, happy are those slaves. However, you know this, that if the master of the house had known in what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Do you also be ready, for in an hour that you think not the Son of man is coming." "Master," said Peter, "are you speaking this parable to us or to all alike?" The Lord answered: "Who then is that faithful steward, the wise man whom his lord will put in charge of his household to give out their rations in due time? Blessed is that slave whom his master on his coming shall find so doing. Of a truth I tell you that he will put him in charge of his possessions. But if that slave should say to himself, 'My master delays his coming,' and should begin to beat the men and the maids, and to eat and drink and to get drunk, that slave's master will arrive on a day when he is not expecting him, and at an hour when he knows not, and will surely scourge him, and appoint him his portion with the unfaithful. The slave who knew his Lord's will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, will be beaten with many lashes, but he who did not know, but did things worthy of a beating, will receive few lashes. To whom much has been given, from him much will be required, and to whom much is entrusted, of him they will ask the more."

267 posted on 12/23/2004 5:38:47 AM PST by John McDonnell
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Merry Christmas and AMEN.


303 posted on 12/23/2004 1:00:01 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Non nobis, Domine, sed nomine tuo da gratia.)
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When, in the history of mankind since Christ walked the earth 2000 years ago, have men and women NOT been "lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power;"??

In the larger scientific timeline of the cosmic universe, even looking at the presumed age of the earth and Mars for example, when put in relative terms, "the Last Days" could well span 5,000 to 6,000 years. So, it could come this coming Saturday, or it could come in the 23rd Century long long long after we are gone.

The fact is, one of the clearest Biblical phrases around on this is that NO MAN KNOWS WHEN THIS WILL OCCUR. A cottage industry still exists, though, when we are not to worry or theorize the time and day of the Return; only to be ready for it at all times.

323 posted on 12/23/2004 2:50:48 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Anyone else see irony in invading Iraq [w/no nukes] while N. Korea kept on making nukes [9 now] ?)
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Please Lord come soon this mortal coil is weary of its existence on this cursed earth the biggest lie ever told was the one where satan says he don't exist and an overwhelming amount of people on this marble have swallowed it hook line and sinker i pray that their eyes are opened before your return

May God bless all and keep you in his loving embrace

Merry CHRISTmas and Amen
339 posted on 12/24/2004 6:01:22 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Merry CHRISTmas and happy new year everyone i love you all !)
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If it will make you feel any better, He is already here, but can only be recognized by those the Blessed


351 posted on 12/24/2004 6:15:55 AM PST by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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"MARANATHA"


364 posted on 12/24/2004 7:32:50 AM PST by fish hawk
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Farah is good buddies with Hal Lindsey. Hal's eschatology is all messed up.

Others have done a much better job interpreting the biblical prophecies of Christ's Second Coming.

"36. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation--As it was only in the last generation of them that "the iniquity of the Amorites was full" (Ge 15:16), and then the abominations of ages were at once completely and awfully avenged, so the iniquity of Israel was allowed to accumulate from age to age till in that generation it came to the full, and the whole collected vengeance of heaven broke at once over its devoted head. In the first French Revolution the same awful principle was exemplified, and Christendom has not done with it yet."(in loc.)

"30. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass fill all these things be done--or "fulfilled" (Mt 24:34 Lu 21:32). Whether we take this to mean that the whole would be fulfilled within the limits of the generation then current, or, according to a usual way of speaking, that the generation then existing would not pass away without seeing a begun fulfilment of this prediction, the facts entirely correspond. For either the whole was fulfilled in the destruction accomplished by Titus, as many think; or, if we stretch it out, according to others, till the thorough dispersion of the Jews a little later, under Adrian, every requirement of our Lord's words seems to be met." (in loc.) (David Brown, Christ's Second Coming, Will it be Pre-millennial?, 1858)


370 posted on 12/24/2004 11:50:33 AM PST by topcat54
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"But, as a journalist, I can't ignore hard evidence – no matter where it may lead me. And the more I study the prophetic scriptures of the Holy Bible and look at the condition of our world today, the more convinced I become that we are nearing that time. In fact, I think we are very close."

Were things any better in the 900's??? Europe was invaded fmo the north by ravening pagan Vikings, from the east by equally savage Magyars, form the south by the lunatic followers of Mohammad, and there was no central government.

How about the 1300's?? The Black Plague, international unrest, etc., etc.

The 1700's??

Things are always bad. The most you can do and hope for is to make things as good as possible for your own country.

As for Christ returning just now - If I were He, I wouldn't want to waste my time with such a bunch of whiners, criers, hypocrites, liars and traitors.


413 posted on 01/10/2005 7:55:24 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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Bump.


461 posted on 01/17/2005 7:52:17 PM PST by mowkeka
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Matt.24:36

[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Hope it's soon!


464 posted on 01/17/2005 7:56:56 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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It appears there are "signs" but till

1Thes.4:16

[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then I'll know for sure when He is coming.


465 posted on 01/17/2005 8:00:13 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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I just believe!

I also read this.

Most Jews and Christians are been taught to recognize the messiah as one that will bring peace. Though, ultimately this is indeed VERY true, there will be a long process of destruction and clean-up before he will achieve the peaceful world (if I understand correctly, it will take about 7 years). For that reason, many people will assume him in the beginning to be an enemy and will join the war against him.

My main concern when I was going to Israel back in 1994 was to warn as many Israelis as possible regarding this very issue. Unfortunately, many Israelis will fell into this trap.

** Ironically, it is the false messiah that will come 7 years previously and will appear to make peace. This is because he will NOT fight evil and therefore will appear to be a peaceful one. Most Jews and Christians will accept him as the true Messiah. This deception will be fatal for so many people. This is another issue that was important for me to warn Israel about. **
Written by Eytan Ben-Gideon


483 posted on 01/18/2005 2:53:02 AM PST by BellStar (Come Lord Jesus!)
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