Posted on 12/21/2004 1:20:03 PM PST by Pharmboy
The found common stone jars, on a site which could possibly have been Cana, or maybe not.
Why would you even bring Jesus into it?
I completely understand your sudden urge to change the subject. I speak english.
Yardena is one woman's name. Usually in the English language we use the pronoun she. I don't know what they use in Romanian, Hungarian, or Russian to refer to a woman.
Well, I was guessing she was part of a team. Usually that's how these digs work. Is that really the best you've got? So you agree with me to the extent of the woman?
This Christian doesn't think alcohol is evil, but the way alcohol is used to excess in this society is. I don't drink at all, but not because I can't or because it would be wrong for me to, it wouldn't. "It would be like Jesus handing out pornography at a bachelor party; the belief doesn't make sense..."
A better comparison would be some Christians thinking sex is evil. But in fact, Jesus invented sex. Under the right conditions, sex is very very right and God encourages us in the Song of Solomon to "drink deeply". Under the wrong conditions, it is evil.
"She is a woman who speaks English."
I see. Thanks, I hadn't considered that.
Has anyone commented that the story does not even remotely support the headline, or some of the quotes? They don't even know it's Canna they've dug up, and they have no reason to believe these jars were used for the miracle.
=== Ah. Say no more.
No joke. I was wondering when we'd get to the punch line.
It is the abuse of alcohol and the problems it causes that leads to this thinking. I've heard a Pentecostal preacher say that though the Bible says "a little wine is good for the stomach", if you never indulge, you'll never overindulge.
It does make some sense.
Yes, I've heard it suggested that the wine was very weak, and therefore harmless. But even the cut wine was still much stronger than beer, and at this event in particular, we know they were already getting snookered. "Usually you serve the best wine first, then later [when the guests are too drunk to notice] you bring out something cheaper."
Grape Juice was invented in the late 1800s by Charles Welch, son of a presybyterian minister who believed alcohol to be immoral. His invention was intended to allow his father's congregation to participate in the Last Supper.
In contrast, the Catholic Church considers grape juice to be an invalid substance for transubstantiation, finding that the accidents of alchohol (formal accidents, not DUI accidents) are essential to the offering.
Ping to my last post. (somewhere around 190) re: modern invention of grape juice.
Maddog is not my idea of good wine..
Bring all the wine you can find made totally from pure water!
I doubt there is or ever have been any alcoholics as a result of drinking such wine regardless of the amount!
The fault of the Pharisees was that they had attempted to become righteous, but kept falling into sin. Hence, they moved to block all opportunities for accidentally sinning. Hence, the commandment "Thou shall not boil a calf in its mother's milk," became "You are not permitted to eat dairy and meat at the same meal." Thus, under the Pharisees, the Jews became heavily oppressed.
For this reason, the New Testament explicitly commands that we are not to add to the law, or lay religious burdens apon people. Telling people that they may not drink wine, when Jesus himself provided wine, is not only not sensible, it is downright sinful.
The Catholic Church tells people to avoid the near occasions of sin, but allows people to decide for themselves what such near occasions are. For the soul struggling against alcoholism, he may not enter a pub. Yet, for others, they may drink away. As Paul instructs us, extraordinary fasts and abstinences should not be imposed on others, nor should they be forbidden. (Before you even think it, joining the priesthood is a voluntary discipline.)
bump
the quote from the lead archeologist supports the title, I think.
Great Article..
Merry Christmas to you! and Best Wishes for a Bright Happy New Year!
But time will tell now won't it. Have an open mind that is how we all learn...:)
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