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1 posted on 12/21/2004 10:45:08 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I can only wish these bastards a year or two of chronic pain which could be treated by drugs but won't be because of government interference.


2 posted on 12/21/2004 10:48:03 AM PST by pabianice
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To: neverdem

So non-narcotic pain relievers (Aleve, Bextra, others) will cause heart attacks and other such ailments, including liver problems, but the alternative is overly watched by the DEA?

Why do we even have prescription medicine then? To taunt and tease?


4 posted on 12/21/2004 11:02:57 AM PST by eyespysomething (Remember Christ our Savior was born on Christmas Day.)
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To: neverdem
I think the policy should be very simple. Doctor's who prescribe narcotic pain medicine should have a standard one page form to give to patients describing the possible harmful side-effects of narcotic pain medicine (i.e. dependence and addiciton). A signed copy of said form should provide the doctor with complete protection from government action for prescribing pain medicine.
5 posted on 12/21/2004 11:04:41 AM PST by Moral Hazard (With a pickle mind we kick the nipple beer.)
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To: neverdem

Pain is a versatile human resource management method that governments do not want to relinquish control over.

Ever.


6 posted on 12/21/2004 11:04:48 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: neverdem

Wars are painful, even The War On Drugs. Some have to sacrifice for a Greater Good. No pain, no gain. It's for The Children.


7 posted on 12/21/2004 11:08:31 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: neverdem

He probably wasn't the first but Shakespeare is often credited with the remark that "One man's meat is another man's poison."

In the '60s, biochemist Roger Williams was one of the most notable to note that human variability varied so greatly as to make gross generalizations about the study of human beings almost meaningless. The difference, he observed, between one person's miracle elixir and another's fatal dose typically was a factor of a thousand. Our most common awareness of this in normal contemporary life is that for some, milk is the "perfect food" while others will literally starve faster and die of dehydration from that consumption. Most of the latter don't because far before reaching those lethal levels, they figure out that something is drastically wrong. But those listening to the advertising instead of their actual experience may end up in the emergency rooms to learn the devastating news that they may be lactose intolerant.

That same kind of reaction is encountered with just about everything in this world. For some, apparently many, the NSAIDs are a dream come true in relieving their chronic tormenting pains -- while unsurprisingly, a few will have unfavorable reactions and outcomes.

To pronounce as safe only that which is safe to absolutely and unconditionally everyone without exception is an impossibility perpetrated by the priests and scribes of junk science, often as not, mainstream media.

While these bozos like to protest that one should not shoot the messenger but rather the message, the fact is, one can not have a greater understanding of a phenomenon than the understanding of the messenger. The charlatans of junk science exploit this fact and prey upon the gullibilities of ambitious journalists trying to make a name for themselves by distorting their misunderstanding to sensationalistic proportions, not understanding the fuller picture.

On a cycle of once a year when we've forgotten the last, we're offered the story that radio waves or microwaves destroys our DNA, causing cancers among other things -- while overlooking all the great advances in the quality of life incalculable. These purists believe we should abandon every vestige of technology and human understanding, and revert to the safety of burying our heads in the ground at every whiff of danger.

The researcher offering these proclamation of inevitable doom, are quick to add, "Nothing is conclusive yet; we'll just have to spend billions of dollars studying this more closely though. Quite conveniently, my facilities are ready to go." The newspaper editing usually omits those last provisos.





8 posted on 12/21/2004 11:11:09 AM PST by MikeHu
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To: neverdem

Drugs are bad. Nazis are worse.


9 posted on 12/21/2004 11:12:20 AM PST by Lexington Green (Pain makes its own rules.)
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Everything needs to be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. Some drugs are no doubt dangerous and others can be made so by abuse. Heck, even water can kill you if you drink too much of it. The balance will be most efficient in tort reform and allow some common sense (such as full disclosure by the manufacturers, coupled with responsibility of the patients using the drugs) to be part of the equation. Remember how if you fed a half-pound rat a pound of saccharin a day, it would get cancer?
11 posted on 12/21/2004 11:21:33 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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Newbie here. I don't want to appear unsympathetic to pain but legal or illegal the treatment of non-cancer pain with those wonderful new oral opiates such as Oxcycontin has been a gold mine for the Methadone clinics and the coroners around the country. It is wonderfully addicting and creates a need for itself. You can't get better than that.


12 posted on 12/21/2004 11:29:58 AM PST by Shisan (Dyspaerunia is better than no pareunia at all.)
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To: neverdem

Newbie here. I don't want to appear unsympathetic to pain but legal or illegal the treatment of non-cancer pain with those wonderful new oral opiates such as Oxcycontin has been a gold mine for the Methadone clinics and the coroners around the country. It is wonderfully addicting and creates a need for itself. You can't get better than that.


13 posted on 12/21/2004 11:31:27 AM PST by Shisan (Dyspaerunia is better than no pareunia at all.)
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To: neverdem
The DEA is a massive failure, and is the biggest Bill of Rights offender. The government should have absolutely no role in dictating what an individual puts in his or her own body.

Note : I use no illegal substances, and I would not use them if they were legal.
15 posted on 12/21/2004 11:44:17 AM PST by mysterio
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To: neverdem

Each year my arthritus gets a little worse. I've had 3 rotator cuff surgeries. Every disc and vert. in my neck is bad, and so surgery is off the table there. Lower back is worse. I have tried the pain clinic approach, but after a few years, I forgot what it felt like to be alive. As for the oxycontin, one of the better things was that you only had to take it every 12 hours. Didn't seem to have as many problems as the every 6 hour stuff. You don't feel as tethered to a perscription bottle or pharmacy. These doctors that abuse the system and dole out thousands of pills to a patient just screw it up for those of us with no options left on the table other than to face each minute of each day with grinding pain. You just try to hold on.


20 posted on 12/21/2004 2:12:57 PM PST by W.Lee
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To: neverdem

Thanks for posting. I really wish that non-medical people would get out of the doctors' business.

Honestly, as far as I'm concerned, pain assessment and adequate treatment are as important to patient health as any other single factor.


27 posted on 12/22/2004 6:23:22 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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