I just noticed your tagline... 
... and a very Merry Christmas to you and yours (and all others on this thread). 
Posted on 12/21/2004 12:35:32 AM PST by JohnHuang2
President Bush said yesterday he wants to reform immigration policy so that the Border Patrol will be "chasing crooks and thieves and drug-runners and terrorists," and not the thousands who cross the border every day to find work.
Mr. Bush has for months tried to drum up congressional support for his plan to give illegal aliens "temporary worker cards" that would allow them to legally hold jobs that U.S. businesses say they can't fill with American labor.
At his final formal press conference of the year, Mr. Bush said immigrants are pouring over the U.S. border, mostly from Mexico, to "put food on the table" and that "it makes sense for us to recognize that reality.
"We want our Border Patrol agents chasing, you know, crooks and thieves and drug-runners and terrorists, not good-hearted people who are coming here to work," Mr. Bush said. "And therefore, it makes sense to allow the good-hearted people who are coming here to do jobs that Americans won't do a legal way to do so. And providing that legal avenue, it takes the pressure off the border."
Conservatives have resisted the president's plan, arguing that it amounts to an amnesty for those who are currently breaking the law and that the relaxed rules could be exploited by terrorists.
Mr. Bush assured critics that "one of the important aspects of my vision is that this is not automatic citizenship.
"The American people must understand that," Mr. Bush said. "If somebody who is here working wants to be a citizen, they can get in line like those who have been here legally and have been working to become a citizen in a legal manner."
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He is too busy "exposin' all that supressin' goin' on in Ohio".
My point wasn't the cost of the labor for cherry picking, oranges, lemons, olives, potatos, etc. It's whether most Americans are willing to do that labor for the pay.
Perhaps you have, but I doubt it.
Why not leave the labor supply alone and find out? Americans who want work might surprise you.
You can't seiously believe that regular visitors of this site don't care about their fellow Americans. Just a different point of view.
Many people are on unemployment and welfare, as opposed to picking oranges.
It does make economic sense to have legal 'guests' (a way of keeping track), instead of the willy nilly stuff that's going on today (it worked when I was a kid, but got snuffed).
No I am saying that those 2 subcontracts came in over budget and schedule due to the things I listed. As to your other points I had 3 bids for each contract and NO there were no Hispanic that bid on either electrical or plumbing. Yes I would prefer to pay illegal aliens to build my next home if it is both cheaper and with the same quality. I have no idea if the other subcontractor's workers were legal or not, that is the subcontractor's responsibility, not mine. If you want to pay twice as much to have your home built, knock yourself out.
I find it difficult to believe that you actually believe that statement.
As I mentioned earler, there's no way I would work the fields anymore. I did so as a kid (testing the waters, so to speak).
You can't make those wages and own a car, home, etc.
It's a point of view that justifies the artificial subsidizing of an inflated labor pool. Neither of you have offered any alternatives. You're not looking at the real suffering going on in those households with seriously expressed intent to improve the conditions that led to their problems.
I realize you have justifications for your point of view, but there are people with families who aren't doing well right now beacuse nobody else is doing anything about it, either. It appears heartless to me. It appears heartless to them, too.
And what are we teaching the next generation about raising families? How financially secure will they be? Maybe they'll choose to have 1.5 fewer children, too. That's beginning to impact our survival as a country, and if you ask young people why they don't plan to have medium sized families they'll tell you it's because they may not be able to support them.
The "willy nilly" stuff that's going on today is intentional labor pool inflation. If we wanted to stop illegal immigration we could do it tomorrow. There's neither will nor interest on the part of our leadership to do so.
And the American people continue to suffer because of it.
That would be breaking the law. Thank you for admitting that you don't like to listen to unemployed families "whining" and that you'd be willing to break the law to obtain a better living standard by building yourself a cheaper, nicer house on the backs of your fellow Americans.
You make my points for me.
I understand the pain. My dad would be comfortably retired now, if he hadn't had an aversion to learning computer stuff his company required.
He retired early (after losing my mother), and now is in a world of hurt (which affects all of his friends and relatives who care about him).
He won't be working the fields anytime soon, but he has a streak of pride in him, that won't allow for charity either.
Oh BS. There is no such thing as "artificial subsidizing of an inflated labor pool". There is only a labor pool. We are about 10 years away from a severe labor shortage in this country when the boomers leave the workforce. That means a fiscal disaster both in tax revenue and trade. We have not reached population replacement for the country in 2 generations especially whites. In other words, we are not making babies.
Actually, no it isn't or I would have to green card every busboy when I go out to eat. You are not very good at this debate thing.
I just noticed your tagline... ... and a very Merry Christmas to you and yours (and all others on this thread).
This is a different situation. If your dad were interested in learning as much as he possibly could today, it might not help him.
There are billions of people out there who would do what he could do faster, cheaper, and with less overhead.
All we're doing is giving them a chance. Who cares about your dad?
Sorry, but you admitted that you would hire an illegal alien if it were cheaper. Technically that means that you would do so with knowledge of the fact. It's OK to change your mind now, though.
If immigration legal and illegal is set by implicit and explicit policy, and if the labor pool is comprised of local and immigrant labor, then yes we are adjusting the combined labor pool artificially.
No, all it means is that I will pay the lowest price for like quality. Tell me, do you ask the restaurant that you go to if their employees are legal? Do you demand that the motel or hotel you stay in reveal the immigration status of their maid or custodial staff?
So when they sued and won, they guy and his wife were wiped out. It was to be their retirement home. In addition, the husband will have an attachment on everything he ever earns.
That's a whole different ball of wax.
Frivolous lawsuits are another issue that needs to be addressed.
No, the labor pool is real. If it were "artificial" it wouldn't exist. Logic 101
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