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He believes that “latter-day saints” offer a much-needed example at a time when Christianity is under threat from secularism and rival religions.

We can still have these examples of people who lead exemplary spiritual lives, but we should not "cheapen" sainthood in the process.

1 posted on 12/20/2004 5:45:44 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

War on the cheap. Saints on the cheap. Ahhh why not!?


2 posted on 12/20/2004 5:54:30 PM PST by TalBlack
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Next, this koran-kissing, worships-with-animists "Pope" will eliminate the "anachronistic" need for Saints to be Catholic, or even Christian. Make way for Saint Luther and Saint Ghandi!


3 posted on 12/20/2004 6:00:30 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the Legislature is in session.")
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CANDIDATES for sainthood will be exonerated from the requirement to have performed a miracle

That's the problem. JP II has pretty much made a joke of the entire process. All of these, when the church is free of his sort, and set itself right, by God, will have to be scrapped and individually reconsidered. Just think of every 'Saint' or blessed under JP II as essentially 'probationary', and temporary. That's how they'll be treated, in future, even if MANY will then, again, be called Saints, but by proper vetting and a sincere and holy consideration.

4 posted on 12/20/2004 6:01:37 PM PST by sevry
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Let's bring back simony too!


8 posted on 12/20/2004 6:27:28 PM PST by DOGEY
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He believes that “latter-day saints” offer a much-needed example at a time when Christianity is under threat from secularism and rival religions.

"OUTCOME-BASED" sainthood????!!!!

10 posted on 12/20/2004 6:41:30 PM PST by paulat
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So when does Mo-ham-head get to become a saint?


11 posted on 12/20/2004 6:41:37 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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No, no, no! I strongly object to this. If they won't bring back the advocatus diaboli, they should at least keep the miracle requirement.


12 posted on 12/20/2004 6:43:14 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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The Pope is infallible only when speaking "Ex-Cathedra" which literally means "from the chair." The doctrine of papal infallibility comes from the first Vatican Council (1870) and the pope has only used it once ... when proclaiming that the Blessed Virgin Mary was conceived without stain of Original Sin (the Doctrine of Immaculate Conception, not to be confused with the Virgin Birth).


14 posted on 12/20/2004 6:49:38 PM PST by milltech
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IMHO only, this process, the annulment process, and the response the church had to the major assault from the Left after the molestation scandals are the main reasons why so many of us former catholics don't attend services anymore.

I for one think it's embarrassing and ridiculous. This "Saints 'R Us" corporate mentality just illustrates how bloatedly bureaucratic the church has become.

So I'll always be "spiritual but not religious" to quote an oft-used cliche.


16 posted on 12/20/2004 6:54:54 PM PST by Husker8877
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To: wagglebee

Actually, the Church teaches that anyone in Heaven is a saint.


18 posted on 12/20/2004 6:55:19 PM PST by Aggie Mama
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God forbid we ever see a St. Bill Clinton.


21 posted on 12/20/2004 7:14:06 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Land of the Irish

Ping.

This is the destruction of the doctrine of the communion of saints and of the efficacy of the intercession of the saints in Heaven for the Church on Earth.

The prophecy of Our Lady of La Salette is verified yet again, as if it needed to be.


22 posted on 12/20/2004 7:20:31 PM PST by Loyalist
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Catholic ping!

CANDIDATES for sainthood will be exonerated from the requirement to have performed a miracle under guidelines being considered by the Pope.

Pray that the Holy Father doesn't do this!!!!

He believes that “latter-day saints” offer a much-needed example at a time when Christianity is under threat from secularism and rival religions.

We have PLENTY of examples to look to. One only needs to look not even a hundred years to look for holy people who resisted secular and demonic forces.

Our Lady of Perpetual Help, pray for us!
St. Joseph, protector of the Universal Church, pray for us!
St. Catherine of Siena, converter of countless souls, pray for us!
St. John Fisher, holy example to bishops, pray for us!
Pope St. Pius V, defender of the Church, pray for us!
St. Gemma Galgani, slave to the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, pray for us!
St. Maximilian Kolbe, missionary of the Immaculata, pray for us!

34 posted on 12/20/2004 8:46:54 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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38 posted on 12/20/2004 9:11:33 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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"Come on down to CRAAAAAAZY JPs!!!!! I've yer got used saints, barely-dead saints, even a few living saints just waiting for beatification! And if you buy these saints now, we'll throw in a couple of visions of the Blessed Virgin for FREE!"


44 posted on 12/20/2004 9:28:46 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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By getting rid of the miracle requirement, the Pope is getting rid of the wisdom of the market.

If someone leads an amazing life that earns the respect of others, then a movement will develop for sainthood and a lot of Catholics will start praying to that saint. You need to have a lot of people praying to a saint for an unusual event to occur. If the chance of a spontaneous cure for cancer is one in a hundred thousand, then 20 million people praying should do the trick.

The Pope is throwing out market forces at his own peril. If a saint is not worthy of respect, only a few people will pray to him or her, and a miracle is unlikely.


49 posted on 12/20/2004 9:38:40 PM PST by Our man in washington
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So where can I sign up?


58 posted on 12/20/2004 10:01:52 PM PST by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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candidates for canonisation must have performed “medically inexplicable” posthumous miracles.

Well, that is easy enough.

67 posted on 12/20/2004 10:19:48 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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I think this is a good thing -- saints are heroes of the faith, the miracle thing is a secondary issue


83 posted on 12/20/2004 11:57:14 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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This is what liberals do. When they can't find candidates to measure up, they change the rules.


95 posted on 12/21/2004 3:52:05 AM PST by ultima ratio
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