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Armor fiasco could backfire
NY Daily ^ | Dec 19, 2004 | Zev Chafets

Posted on 12/20/2004 2:23:27 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: MNJohnnie
giving them the tools for the job.

Someone explain to me, again, how weighing down a humvee with armored floorplate makes it less susceptible to 155mm IEDs. Isn't it better to get the bad guys, and get rid of the bombs? I mean, if you run a Bradley over this kind of IED mine, what happens to the Bradley? And you're not going to turn a humvee into a Bradley.

21 posted on 12/20/2004 3:36:32 PM PST by sevry
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To: sevry

giving them the tools for the job.
Someone explain to me, again, how weighing down a humvee with armored floorplate makes it less susceptible to 155mm IEDs. Isn't it better to get the bad guys, and get rid of the bombs? I mean, if you run a Bradley over this kind of IED mine, what happens to the Bradley? And you're not going to turn a humvee into a Bradley.


Agreed. We have even lost Abrhams in Iraq and that is a LOT more armored. My point is not weather up armoring is a GOOD idea, my point is that the VERY Senators who voted AGAINST funding the troops are NOW SCREAMING the loudest about how under equipped the troops are. The ones who gutted the Military in the 1990s NOW posture as these great defenders of the military. They are SCUM. Pure 100% SCUM.


22 posted on 12/20/2004 3:45:31 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Next up, US Senate. 60 in 06!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Bump


23 posted on 12/20/2004 3:46:46 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
George Patton Speech

I want you to remember that no bas*ard ever won the war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bas*ard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you’ve heard about America not wanting to fight – wanting to stay out of the war - is a lot of horse dung! Americans traditionally love to fight! All REAL Americans love the sting of battle …..

And HERE is the full statement (both the MOVIE version and Patton's actual speech are here).


24 posted on 12/20/2004 3:48:58 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: MeekOneGOP

He was great. Someone today's liberals would despise.


25 posted on 12/20/2004 4:00:07 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: ex-snook
Rumsfeld tells troops asking for armor 'tough sh-t'

You know he did no such thing.

26 posted on 12/20/2004 4:09:34 PM PST by alnick
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To: MNJohnnie
Abrhams in Iraq and that is a LOT more armored.

I agree. Get the bombs. Didn't they used to have ENTIRE SQUADS devoted to securing and clearing roads in WWII? They need to get anti-mine units on the roads, and clear them every day. Certain roads are high traffic. That doesn't mean they won't miss something, or one of these shells won't be placed after they leave. But I haven't heard anything about that.

27 posted on 12/20/2004 4:12:19 PM PST by sevry
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Ken's thread puts all of this Rummy Phobia into a real clear perspective.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1305415/posts?page=1

Flashback: Nov 17,1995: Clinton has a BJ in the WH, while on the phone deploying US troops to Bosnia
A BLAST FROM THE PAST!!!


Posted on 12/20/2004 3:37:50 PM PST by ken5050




Eventually the Dayton Peace Accords were signed. Remember those? Clinton sent thousand of US troops to Bosnia. He said they'd be back home in one year. (BTW..in case anyone hasn't noticed they're still there..why aren't any Dems mentioning that little factoid? Yoo hoo..Joe Biden!!)

Clinton's hungry. The man has an appetite. A BIG appetite.. So, he invites our compliant intern, Monica Lewinsky..to bring a pizza to the Oval Office, while he's busy doing the work of the American people.

According to the WH logs. Lewinski was in the Oval Office from 9:38 to 10:39PM that evening.

According to Congressman Randle's phone log, and the WH phone logs, Randle and Clinton spoke from 9:53 to 10:14PM.

According to Monica's grand jury testimony, she stated that Clinton unzipped himself and she "did her duty."

So, all the assorted Dems, libs, and talking heads, who now wail that Rummy is "insensitive" because an autopen was used to sign some condolence letters, well, their "hero," their greatest president, while debating the merits of deploying thousands of US troops into harm's way, ( BTW without an exit strategy) he chose to gratify BOTH of his oral cravings.

He was, and still is, a pig. She was, and still is, a pig also. One can expect therefore, for a multitude of reasons, that it was a sausage pizza they "consumed."

I'm waiting for some GOP talking head to remind the American people of this episode.


1 posted on 12/20/2004 3:37:51 PM PST by ken5050


28 posted on 12/20/2004 4:30:10 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Rummy Phobia is the new mental disorder of the left. It is similiar to Hate GW Syndrome!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Great article. Thanks to you for posting it. :^D

29 posted on 12/20/2004 4:30:19 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
He was great. Someone today's liberals would despise.

Yes he was.

The Libs/Media/RINO's are zeroing in on Rumsfeld, it appears to me ....


30 posted on 12/20/2004 4:34:02 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: ex-snook
Troops deserve respect. Rumsfeld should go back, call the troops together and apologize as Patton did before he was allowed to continue in command.

Rumsfeld doesn't need to apologize to me. I think he's the best defense secretary that we've ever had. Are you a "troop"? I am active duty Air Force right now, and I just got back from the desert. You don't speak for me.

31 posted on 12/20/2004 4:43:29 PM PST by gcraig
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To: MNJohnnie

' suggest we send all those Senators who voted AGAINST the funds for up armoring the Hummers, yet are now screaming from Rumsfiled's head, to Iraq to explain to our troops WHY they voted AGAINST giving them the tools for the job.'

so that's why we haven't heard from sKerry and Backwards about this issue.

Heard Rush read this whole article on-air today...

it's as good as it gets.


32 posted on 12/20/2004 5:41:37 PM PST by bitt
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
click this
33 posted on 12/20/2004 6:10:10 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: okie01

Yeppers.

Look at what has happened in Libya with weapons, capturing Saddam, getting the Pakistanis to cooperate in Afghanistan with us, the list goes on. The liberals see something on the horizon and don't want Rumsfeld in Office. Maybe they see the best way to remove Bush is to tear down those around him.

HECK FREEPERS! LETS HELP!


34 posted on 12/20/2004 6:12:15 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: bitt

Very good...... that Rush got the word out....


35 posted on 12/20/2004 6:16:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: MeekOneGOP



36 posted on 12/20/2004 6:19:44 PM PST by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY to 2008 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Amazing, isn't it?

The media cares little about what a given policy is or whether it is producing results or not. All they care about is which party promulgated it.

If a Republican policy, being executed successfully by Republicans, they are intrinsically hostile and attempt to destroy the principals, without any concern whatsoever as to the national interest.

If a Democrat policy, being executed by Democrat office holders, they are unvaryingly and unquestioningly supportive. Again, irrespective of the ramifications regarding the national interest.

No media report can be taken on face value, ever again. If they were to report that the sky is blue and the grass is green, viewers/listeners/readers are advised to consider the political context and undertake further research to determine the veracity of the report.

37 posted on 12/20/2004 6:34:15 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Gonna stand my ground, won't be turned around/And I'll keep this world from draggin' me down/... I won't back down.

He won't. I'm confident that Rumsfeld will stay. This is a lot of hot air from the Democrats and sad to say, from some Republicans as well.

38 posted on 12/20/2004 6:36:15 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul; Grampa Dave
He won't. I'm confident that Rumsfeld will stay. This is a lot of hot air from the Democrats and sad to say, from some Republicans as well.

You are right. And it makes me more than a little unhappy, too. There are some Freepers insisting on Rummy stepping down, too.

I could just spit! :^O


39 posted on 12/20/2004 7:27:54 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: MeekOneGOP; Tumbleweed_Connection; Ernest_at_the_Beach

40 posted on 12/20/2004 7:47:03 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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