BUSH'S IMMIGRATION PET PHRASES

michellemalkin.com ^ | 12/20/2004 | Michelle Malkin

[nanak]

After the White House news conference this morning, Bill Kristol on Fox News praised President Bush's remarks about "immigration reform" as "eloquent." Beg to differ. The president's open-borders statements were empty, garish platitudes strung together sloppily like cheap Christmas lights:

Illegal aliens "do the job Americans won't do." President Bush used that dog-tired phrase about a half-dozen times during today's press conference as he defended his impending illegal alien amnesty plan. Mark Krikorian effectively puts this mindless rhetoric to rest here.

"Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande." Uh huh. Well, terrorists and gang members and drunken murderers and cop-killers don't stop there either. And based on past and recent experience, granting amnesty to 13 million law-breakers will only result in more illegal immigration, not less.

We need immigration reform that "recognizes reality." Rank-and-file immigration enforcement officials give a real reality check on the amnesty debacle here, here, and here.

As immigration enforcement veteran/former U.S. prosecutor Peter Nunez put it:

[W]e need to stop the talk of a coming amnesty, or of a guest worker program, both of which, by themselves, serve to encourage additional illegal immigration. What kind of message are we sending when we dangle that possibility before people desperate enough to put their lives at risk? Doesn’t this kind of talk also indicate that we really don’t care much about law breaking, that we don’t really care that much about the rule of law, that these immigration laws exist only as a token objection to the violation of our sovereignty? Now, that is eloquent.

[Poohbah]

She can deal with a toilet seat (she merely expects me to do likewise), we agreed on the color of the house interior (I suggested white, and she said, "Good, it goes with everything"), and she absolutely refuses to watch television, period.

[hchutch]

Oh, and a databae of all those legit workers... I wonder how big a business hacking into it would be. Names, DOB, SSNs, what else?

[F16Fighter]

Appears you've got a winner bro....But for extra credit, can she "bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan...and never let you forget you're a man"??

[Poohbah]

I bring home the bacon, she handles the cooking, and we have ourselves a good ol' time otherwise (c8

Rule #1 of life: try to find a woman as intelligent as you are.

Rule #2: marriages really work well when both spouses think they married up. (c8

[F16Fighter]

"Rule #2: marriages really work well when both spouses think they married up. (c8"

Perception is everything ;-) Good for you.

[Chemist_Geek]

Oh, and a databae of all those legit workers... I wonder how big a business hacking into it would be. Names, DOB, SSNs, what else?

There would have to be some sort of identifying characteristics... Why not put medical records in there? Credit history, too. What else..? Hmm...

[Poohbah]

There would have to be some sort of identifying characteristics... Why not put medical records in there? Credit history, too. What else..? Hmm...

A record of everything you buy with a credit card so that "predictive analysis" software can identify you as a terrorist based on the fact that you bought:

• A subscription to Guns & Ammo
• A Bible
• MREs
• Reloading tools
• an SUV

How does that sound?

[WRhine]

That's right: forget about it. Because it's not about "programs." It's about how many people are working vs how many people, young and old, there are to support, who are not working.

Nice dance there Nick. You managed to tap-dance your way around every point I made. AGAIN: Social Security is structured in the same manner as a Ponzi scheme. Do you understand that? Do you know what that means? It means that to pay out for current retirees every future generation must be considerably larger than the previous generation because the program itself is actuarially bankrupt and always needs more bodies in the system.

Now does turning our country upside down with mass waves of 3rd world immigration just to keep those old democrat welfare programs going make sense to you? Or is the better path privatizing these bankrupt programs so they don't require hyper-levels of immigration to pay out to current retirees?

And forget about all your rhetoric concerning Democrats and Social Security and FDR and LBJ. That's all noise. Money is not the issue. Money is just a symbol. What matters is the quantity of actual goods and services in the economy at the time, and that is a function of how many people are working, not how many "dollars" somebody might have in a vault somewhere.

What a screed of superfluous double talk. No, Nick, more warm bodies does not a good country make. If population aggregates were the measure of a good economy then China and India would have the highest standard of living. Especially when such immigrants are primarily 3rd world peasants from cultures that have little connection to western civilization.

When we should be searching the world for the best minds we are instead importing staggering levels of 3rd world immigrants. This policy only makes sense if one wants to destroy America.

There is no such thing as "fixing the programs so that they work." That's a financial illusion. People can't eat money. They can only eat food, and that has to be produced by people who work. If the workers aren't there because they were never born, no amount of money fixes that. No "program" can fix that. The only thing that could have fixed it was having more children 20 years previously.

It's back to the past with you. Reliance on cheap manual labor only inhibits the financial incentives to innovate machinery that automate manual tasks. As long as employers can get away with employing illegal labor and artificially depress wages for such tasks, automation will suffer. Is this the way the leading 1st world country and innovation center of the world should go?

Setting the country up for a culture that euthanizes its old to get them out of the way is hardly a "conservative" position. But that's what you're doing, calling yourself a conservative the whole way. You'd multiply the Culture of Death, and call it "actuarially sound." And maybe it is. But it's not how I want to do it. Killing people to get them out of the way is not on my conservative agenda.

Now that is funny. You argue like a teary-eyed liberal democrat. "Want some Strawmen"? In Nick's little closed-end Binary World if America does not open its borders to the world to save his beloved bankrupt democrat great society programs then the only other option is to kill granny and grandpa. How did you ever get so screwed up? You sir are obviously NOT a conservative. But you do sound alot like the twice removed from reality Beltway types that are running this country into the ground.

[investigateworld]

The only good thing about this amnesty program is that W gets to b#tch slap The Reverends and Mufume and the other race pimps: Hey you folks didn't vote for me?, fine I'll flood the country with cheap imported labor.

[Nick Danger]

Nice bombast, but since you have no clue what you're talking about, it makes no sense it to discuss it with you. If you do not understand the difference between money, and actual goods and services, then you have no business telling anybody why Social Security doesn't work. The sham runs deeper than you imagine.

[Fatalis]

Oh, and a databae of all those legit workers... I wonder how big a business hacking into it would be. Names, DOB, SSNs, what else?

It's not a new database, it's verification against an existing database.

[Fatalis]

There would have to be some sort of identifying characteristics... Why not put medical records in there? Credit history, too. What else..? Hmm...

Wrong, the President's workplace verification program would just match names with valid SSNs and TINs. The sky won't fall.

[hchutch]

The SSN is THE GOLD MINE for identity thieves, in case you haven't noticed.

[Fatalis]

The database is already there. How is it more vulnerable if it's used to verify eligibility for employement?

[eleni121]

Anything...anything that will decrease the influence of labor unions on the economy and policy in this nation is welcome. Yes, even allowing illegal low-skilled laborers from Mexico to work.

From the lawn service person to the tile fitter to the peach picker to the dishwasher in thousands of mom and pop restaurants all over this land, and on and on...this labor and the fruits of their labor go a long way to helping keep costs down and the influence of unions down as well. The earnings also help support families in Mexico and that is not a bad thing either for a whole host of reasons.

One more: nothing can stop the desire to come here to America. Regularizing the flow with documentation will go a long way to controlling this mess.

No one can argue against these points not Krikorian not Malkin with all due respect to both. What we all agree with is the question of terrorists infiltrating the border. I believe that the new policy will stop terrorists in their tracks from crossing the border. They don't come in that way anyway. They just come in on their Saudi passports through JFK!

[WRhine]

Nice bombast, but since you have no clue what you're talking about, it makes no sense it to discuss it with you. If you do not understand the difference between money, and actual goods and services, then you have no business telling anybody why Social Security doesn't work. The sham runs deeper than you imagine.

Actually Nick it is you that is clueless. If you think inundating this country with umpteen millions of unskilled, illiterate peasants from a hopelessly corrupt country that has no concept of the Rule of Law on top of millions more from around the 3rd World is good policy you have a rude awakening in store for you. Just how much tax revenue do you think manual labor and low paid work generates? How much do these immigrant groups take in welfare? You think this is going to create a new wave of prosperity? LOL.

And no, nothing would surprise me about social security or any other program or hidden agenda of our government. I mean nothing. You say euthanasia is in store for us in future? Well, Hell, who knows?

When you have a government that puts the interests of foreign governments, corporations and radical left wing causes ahead of the interests of America and its citizens anything and everything becomes possible.

We do know though that SS/Medicaid/Medicare even under loose actuarial standards were bankrupt decades ago. And if the government announced tomorrow that SS was not only out of money but in arrears to the tune of a 100 trillion I would not be surprised.

[WRhine]

I say we plant 40,000 50-story apartment buildings around Bush's place in Texas. Let him experience this lunatic plan close up.

LOL. Yeah, that experience just might begin to penetrate that thick skull of his. I have always believed that if we want good responsible legislation the best way is to force our politicians to live with the consequences of their laws and administrative rulings...no exceptions. Your above would be poetic justice. Bush's Illegal Alien Monster Comes Home to Crawford!

[Nick Danger]

umpteen millions of unskilled, illiterate peasants from a hopelessly corrupt country that has no concept of the Rule of Law

Hey, I resemble that remark. My grandparents came here from Germany. I don't think they spoke a word of English, either.

how much tax revenue do you think manual labor and low paid work generates?

Probably not much. But then my father finished grade school and had some high school. So we weren't rich, but I wouldn't say we were poor. My parents owned the house I grew up in. I went to Catholic schools.

I don't do manual labor myself, and I pay plenty of taxes, thankyewverymuch. Two generations; that's all it took.

Now it so happens that I grew up in Southern California, and I spent most of the last 20 years living in San Diego. So I know all about having lots of Mexicans around. And here's what I know: they're on the same path. The guy you're talking about lives in a cardboard box in a shantytown in a canyon. His kids will own homes in Mira Mesa. The third-generation ones are living in Carmel Mountain Ranch.

Please take your third-world little-brown-people tripe and put it where the solar wind don't blow. Auf wiedersehen.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Now it so happens that I grew up in Southern California, and I spent most of the last 20 years living in San Diego. So I know all about having lots of Mexicans around. And here's what I know: they're on the same path.

Sure Nick.

Please take your third-world little-brown-people tripe and put it where the solar wind don't blow. Auf wiedersehen.

I was waiting for you to pull the race card. I knew it couldn't be far behind.

I think you're a fraud.

[Nick Danger]

You embarrass yourself, Joe. Were you never 17? People call them 'adolescents' for a reason.