Posted on 12/20/2004 12:21:42 PM PST by nanak
After the White House news conference this morning, Bill Kristol on Fox News praised President Bush's remarks about "immigration reform" as "eloquent." Beg to differ. The president's open-borders statements were empty, garish platitudes strung together sloppily like cheap Christmas lights:
Illegal aliens "do the job Americans won't do." President Bush used that dog-tired phrase about a half-dozen times during today's press conference as he defended his impending illegal alien amnesty plan. Mark Krikorian effectively puts this mindless rhetoric to rest here.
"Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande." Uh huh. Well, terrorists and gang members and drunken murderers and cop-killers don't stop there either. And based on past and recent experience, granting amnesty to 13 million law-breakers will only result in more illegal immigration, not less.
We need immigration reform that "recognizes reality." Rank-and-file immigration enforcement officials give a real reality check on the amnesty debacle here, here, and here.
As immigration enforcement veteran/former U.S. prosecutor Peter Nunez put it:
[W]e need to stop the talk of a coming amnesty, or of a guest worker program, both of which, by themselves, serve to encourage additional illegal immigration. What kind of message are we sending when we dangle that possibility before people desperate enough to put their lives at risk? Doesn’t this kind of talk also indicate that we really don’t care much about law breaking, that we don’t really care that much about the rule of law, that these immigration laws exist only as a token objection to the violation of our sovereignty? Now, that is eloquent.
Look at every poll conducted. A tremendous, overwhelming majority of Americans want this epic open border/immigration disaster stopped.
Plain and simple, we are no longer being represented.
They do, but not that much.
If illegal immigration was a hot issue, somebody would run on it. Nobody does.
I agree as well, I think that is something the President has in mind but I havent read his latest news conference which deals with the latest on this topic from what I've heard.
Red
Whether or not many politicians run hard on immigration policy platforms doesn't determine whether or not Bush's amnesty scheme is good policy.
Apples and oranges.
'Illegal immigration' may not be THE "centerpiece," on a campaign near the border, but I'm sure no one's about to say it's a trivial issue.
Here in New Jersey, people are acutely aware of the problem and of the potential ramifications.
And anyway, it's on a national level of concern that legislators are obligated to enforce the law for good reason -- don't you think?
I never asserted that.
What I did assert is that illegal immigration is not a hot issue with the voters or somebody would run on it.
Nobody DOES run on it, so it must not be as hot as folks around here think it is.
"This is my prophecy"
RnMomof7 1:1 ?? ;-)
Good to see ya, Mom...Agree 100%
Amnesty would not apply to just Hispanics...its illegal immigrants employed here...a one time pardon to then create an environment for setting tougher standards. It would be a double standard to set a more rigid enforcement while ignoring those already in.
This is not an open border policy with Mexico...they just represent the most robust component of those illegally employed here.
Why must everyone allow themselves to indulge in politics at a time when we should be enjoying the benefits of being blessed with our re-elected President and having peace of mind as we approach a new year. Merry Christmas one and all.
Not pretty. I've only seen Bush in person once. Mercifully, he was reading from notes.
Eventually the idea of citizenship will become pointless. Our borders will be completely undermined.
Bush is simply going to legalize millions of criminals.
That is the end game here.
And everyone knows, that will only cause endless millions more to flood in.
Hopefully you and dagnabbit are under cover indoors for surely the sky is falling and your dilemma is to seek shelter or come out and "warn" the rest of us...sorry your reponses in essence are correct but you two drown them out with ridicule of other posters and too much melodrama.
We didn't drag this turd into the living room. Our re-elected President did. As to "benefits of being blessed", I guess those would be the illegal alien drivers licenses he fought so hard to preserve.
How Sweet......the 3 or 4 mini amnesties (245i) we had during the 1990's at least had $1000 fine to adjust your illegal status to (poof) legal.
So whens the last time citizen's fines have been reduced (or done away with) when they break the law ???
So far as the tax evading employers go, they always receive the true *amnesty* in these deals.......no fines, no nothing, & they are free again to hire more illegals.
btw....What's it going to cost TAXPAYERS to fund another huge (inept) dept., that keeps up with comings & goings, back round checks, & employment of some 10 illegals ???
Who's suggesting they should be ignored?
What the President is proposing is a double standard that would favor illegal aliens who've taken unlawful employment over potential guest workers who've never broken our laws.
Ill go you one better on a three step process. This is a repost of mine from November to Howlin......
"what's your solution now? Round them up and send them back first?"
"There is no solution that can be applied now to an already large problem that will not raise loud objections from somebody.
The most efficient way is to start NOW with ENFORCEMENT by making both the employers and the workers pay a penalty for skirting the current law.
You have to make the penalties for hiring of illegals severe. And you have to have random audits and inspections of EMPLOYERS, conducted by teams of enforcement agents. This will cost money, employers will hate it. Illegal workers groups, and Mexico will protest.
Im talking severe penalties, such that a mid-large company would not want to take a risk. Still, you may not get to the illegals working for small outfits.
For an illegal, the penalty is that anyone who is caught in this country illegally is deported immediately, and is forever barred from entering legally later in a guest worker program. This is enforced by means of fingerprints and photo ID, which is entered into a database.
If this sounds draconian, try getting a top secret clearance to work on a military program. All illegals who are caught should be fingerprinted, and photographed before deportation.
Require that people at hospitals WITHOUT INSURANCE who do not speak or understand English present valid proof of citzenship or visa status at time of treatment. If they do not have proof, they are treated, then released to LEO /immigration for deportation, same rules apply. Of course, some will get fraudulent papers on the black market. Hospitals will protest, so federal funds will have to be provided to hospitals to hire additional staff to enforce the laws. Some municipalities will not want to comply.
Hopefully, the result of these actions is that many illegals will voluntarily leave this country if they can, and start the legal process to register.
Now we get to enforcement at the borders, to insure that these people cannot slip back in later. This is where technology that we currently have is deployed efficiently.
All the steps the feds take must be broadcast loud and clear to the Hispanic community, and to the Mexican government.
Everything above is to START.
With the above in place, then you can start to implement a guest worker program. Otherwise, its the cart before the horse."
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